Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[BlackArcher101]

And yet it's the NDP people won't vote for because they believe they have ties to the federal party.... One party is using our own tax dollars to help get their federal counterparts installed, one didn't.

[Fuzz]

“I am concerned about the repeated public comments from the federal government and federal Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities Sean Fraser indicating they will continue to deal directly with municipalities.


“This morning, Minister Fraser even hinted at his government’s interest in meddling with provincial and municipal decision-making around short-term housing. This is just the federal government’s latest attempt to bypass Alberta and other provincial governments and overstep their authority.

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...781986C494DC79


Ah, I see the adults in the room are having tantrums about....the Federal government providing housing supports for Albertans. What a pathetic response. Work together, you ####ing muppets!

[Ozy_Flame]

Don't let housing funding get in the way of a good narrative about the villainous feds not looking out for Albertans.

[Yoho]

The same federal gov that wants to go to the Supreme court to push certain straws on Province's when they lose ruling after ruling.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1726983341264756975

https://twitter.com/user/status/1726988840928215406

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

The same federal gov that wants to go to the Supreme court to push certain straws on Province's when they lose ruling after ruling.

So this provincial government is angry about the federal government dealing directly with municipalities for housing funding (which is a a cost-cutting measure and a damn good thing any way you look at it), yet they're going to spend yet again more of Albertan's money and resources fighting Ottawa - this time over plastic straws, of all things - when there's insanely more pressing issues to deal with here within our own provincial borders?

UCP brand on point. Dani's going to have to replace that platform on top of that soap box soon, it's being worn out by her taxpayer-paid-for Gucci's.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...781986C494DC79


Ah, I see the adults in the room are having tantrums about....the Federal government providing housing supports for Albertans. What a pathetic response. Work together, you ####ing muppets!

Hilarious. The party that continually touts that red tape reduction is needed is mad that they are not needlessly thrown into the middle of something.

“This morning, Minister Fraser even hinted at his government’s interest in meddling with provincial and municipal decision-making around short-term housing

RA RA RA, the Liberals are the ones that created this mess it's all their fault! They need to fix this! RA RA RA, the Liberals aren't doing anything to help with housing! RA RA RA, how dare they meddle with housing, it's our decision!
I'm sorry, what exactly has the province done in terms of decision making for short-term housing?

Premier Danielle Smith recently met with her first minister colleagues, and all agreed that all premiers need to be united in ensuring all have an envelope of funds that go to each province on equal footing for their per-capita share.

Uhhhh.... UCP, are you sure you want to say that?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Muta

So this provincial government is angry about the federal government dealing directly with municipalities for housing funding (which is a a cost-cutting measure and a damn good thing any way you look at it), yet they're going to spend yet again more of Albertan's money and resources fighting Ottawa - this time over plastic straws, of all things - when there's insanely more pressing issues to deal with here within our own provincial borders?

UCP brand on point. Dani's going to have to replace that platform on top of that soap box soon, it's being worn out by her taxpayer-paid-for Gucci's.

Supreme Court see’s it differently I guess.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Muta

So this provincial government is angry about the federal government dealing directly with municipalities for housing funding (which is a a cost-cutting measure and a damn good thing any way you look at it), yet they're going to spend yet again more of Albertan's money and resources fighting Ottawa - this time over plastic straws, of all things - when there's insanely more pressing issues to deal with here within our own provincial borders?

UCP brand on point. Dani's going to have to replace that platform on top of that soap box soon, it's being worn out by her taxpayer-paid-for Gucci's.

What I find interesting about this particular issue though, is that this is one that actually impacts people. There are a lot of federal and provincial things where you barely notice a difference with various policies or initiatives. Plastic bags, straws, etc. though? I notice that constantly. And when the feds are as tone-deaf as they have been with the Coop compostable bags, I'm kind of glad that they're being taken to task.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

The same federal gov that wants to go to the Supreme court to push certain straws on Province's when they lose ruling after ruling.

What is the UCP's record in the Supreme court?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What is the UCP's record in the Supreme court?

There should be pubic compensation when the politicians from two entities you pay taxes for waste money on legal grandstanding.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Slava

What I find interesting about this particular issue though, is that this is one that actually impacts people. There are a lot of federal and provincial things where you barely notice a difference with various policies or initiatives. Plastic bags, straws, etc. though? I notice that constantly. And when the feds are as tone-deaf as they have been with the Coop compostable bags, I'm kind of glad that they're being taken to task.

Sure you notice it, but really, does not having plastic straws and bags really inconvenience your life?
For my family we took it a sign to get with the times and and just adjust to using less plastic. pretty simple.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Sure you notice it, but really, does not having plastic straws and bags really inconvenience your life?
For my family we took it a sign to get with the times and and just adjust to using less plastic. pretty simple.

Yeah. People need to stop fixating on these small things. Maybe it is a sign that you’re drinking too much pop or slurpees if this is that big of a problem for you.

[Ozy_Flame]

There's money to be made in litigating the small things.

Change is hard, people complain, and someone always gets paid.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Sure you notice it, but really, does not having plastic straws and bags really inconvenience your life?
For my family we took it a sign to get with the times and and just adjust to using less plastic. pretty simple.

Originally Posted by Wormius

Yeah. People need to stop fixating on these small things. Maybe it is a sign that you’re drinking too much pop or slurpees if this is that big of a problem for you.

Plastic bags? No, doesn't really impact me that much. I used to recycle them as garbage bags for smaller rooms, but I can buy the smaller garbage bags. I've been using re-usable shopping bags for years so the transition wasn't an inconvenience at all.

Straws? Gotta admit I'm glad we'll have the choice to use them. I'm on record as not being a fan of paper/cardboard straws. They are OK in a restaurant setting or having a regular drink, and I'm fine with the sippy-cup type fast-food containers they have at places like Costco. However, the paper straws are useless for things like slurpees and smoothies. Unless you pound your slurpee it will freeze in the straw if you leave it for a couple minutes, and it turns into pulp in both a slurpee and smoothie which means it's useless to stir the drink.

And my cat likes to play with those plastic spoon straws when I'm done with them. Won't someone think of the cats?

[Barnes]

You notice it when you forget your bags when you go to the grocery store and that's a you problem.

Reduce. Reuse. Recycle.

In order of importance like we all learned in elementary school. Bring your own bag > Co Op compostable bag > putting single use bags in recycling > throwing it in the garbage.

That assumes that the Co Op bags are reused and not just thrown away. They are terrible as grocery bags as well as compost bags.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Sure you notice it, but really, does not having plastic straws and bags really inconvenience your life?
For my family we took it a sign to get with the times and and just adjust to using less plastic. pretty simple.

I don't really notice it with the straws, but the bags I run into that regularly. I like the compostable bags at Coop and the fact that the Liberals are pressing for them to be taken out as well is just annoying. I know that I'm not the only one, and it's just a great everyday example of a purely stupid policy.

And of course there are ways to adapt to things, but I could adapt to a lot of things and just prefer not to. So, when the government takes a dumb action that forces inconvenience so they can virtue signal, I'm going to be opposed.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Get used to it. Welcome to how it works when the party you voted for loses.

Yes, let's all get used to blatant corruption.

But hey, it's only good if your team is doing it, eh?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Sure you notice it, but really, does not having plastic straws and bags really inconvenience your life?

Yes. It's a small but annoying inconvenience.

Originally Posted by Wormius

Yeah. People need to stop fixating on these small things. Maybe it is a sign that you’re drinking too much pop or slurpees if this is that big of a problem for you.

If it's such a small thing, maybe the federal government could stop fixating on it too. This is the point -- it's a small thing that is not moving the needle, and more importantly it's too broad such that it completely ensnares things that are attempting to fix the problem that a broad ban purports to. Compostable shopping bags, compostable 'plastic' straws, both things work well for their intended purpose and are compostable which is better for the environment.

Don't tell me 'reusable' bags are the better option, you know what happens with those? You forget your bag or make an impromptu stop at another store, buy another one, then you have two or three or seven of the goddamn things in your house and then you decide "I don't need all these f-cking bags" and throw six of them out.

Originally Posted by Barnes

That assumes that the Co Op bags are reused and not just thrown away. They are terrible as grocery bags as well as compost bags.

They work great as basic grocery bags, I don't know what you're expecting out of a grocery bag if you think otherwise. In terms of how good they are as compost bags, I never had issues using them in that way when I lived in a house with a compost bin. Us high-rise dwellers don't get compost options.

[woob]

Yeah, the reusable bags just end up piling up and then get put in my recycling bin eventually. At least with compostable bags, I can use them in my under sink compost bin. Though I suppose if I was being a super good and conscious human, I wouldn't use any bags with my compost bin and just empty it and wash it every time.

Kind of drives home a point though; We are in a phase of existence where there's going to be an increase of small/med/large inconveniences exacted upon our day to day lives. Whether it be crappy paper straws on the small end or increasingly erratic weather on the large end, changes to the status quo of our lifestyles are inevitable.

But I do enjoy complaining about them while I begrudgingly change the way I live.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Us high-rise dwellers don't get compost options.

I'm pretty sure it's the law in Calgary that all multi-family dwellings need to provide compost service to residents. I'm on a condo board and we got a letter from the city saying it was mandatory and pick a provider.