[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It's the right direction, I just don't know how effectively they can put together the next core with where they're picking without some masterful scouting to find players who can project to be meaningful NHLers.

Too bad he hasn't been able to finagle that young NHL center. But maybe that's coming. Clearly we had to adjust expectations around here.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Njord

Between the draft and trades methinks Conroy like Russian players

Demidov will feel right at home on the Flames.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I’m not shocked at the underwhelming return. Didn’t Boomer say that he got word it was gonna be underwhelming on Barn Burner?

It was Frank Seravalli and I believe that was even before the Tampa shenanigans from the agent and player so that probably didn't help either.

[kyuss275]

I’m hoping we get rumblings of what Tampa was offering for a signed hanifin. I need a good laugh.

Conroy did say that a 1st round pick had to be in deal after the Vegas trade. I took that as Florida teams weren’t offering 1sts.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Well, I'm disappointed in the return. I know Conroy took the best deal available, sure makes you wonder what the other teams offered.

Hanifin was playing great this season. Who would have thought that Henrique and Hanifin's return would be similar.

[Flamesfan05]

After slept over it, I think Conroy did as much as he could. Basically they got a 1st and a 2nd, worst case a 3rd. Not too bad really. Those picks can be useful at the draft if use wisely. A 2nd can get you a pretty good player in trade some time.

Vegas got a quality dman but soon overpaid and soft. And he poops his pants every time they played McDrai.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Well, I'm disappointed in the return. I know Conroy took the best deal available, sure makes you wonder what the other teams offered.

Hanifin was playing great this season. Who would have thought that Henrique and Hanifin's return would be similar.

He is not an idiot so the other teams didn’t offer as much

That’s my insider info lol

The Oilers overpaid but Hanifin got the extra 2nd/3rd and a roster player that they need, like him or not

[Poe969]

So did they really just get 2 conditional picksand a tweeter?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm gonna go ahead an say the pick is likely better than a late 24 1st and almost certainly not worse. In terms of position and and quality of draft year.

Conroy is clearly going for that unprotected 2026 pick

Vegas is going all in and that only lasts a couple years. Ask Treliving.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Miromanov looks like Conny's signature 'guy in NHL with potential to pop' trade piece. Decent offensive stats for a dman and rhd.

Just woke up to the complete trade. I was right! Haha

From what I've established, flames moves that don't look good on paper turn out great in retrospect (e.g. Sharongovich), while moves that look good on paper end up disappointing in retrospect (e.g. Tkachuk trade, James Neal, etc.). So I am cautiously optimistic (I guess this means the Lindholm trade is a bust though, lol).

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

You are missing 3 pieces that went with Giroux just to be fair.

What he meant to say was that Giroux was traded with a former 22nd overall pick and a former 4th round pick and a 5th round pick.

For that the Flyers got a former 10th round pick, a 3rd round pick and a 1st round pick that will be between 27-32nd overall.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's the right direction, I just don't know how effectively they can put together the next core with where they're picking without some masterful scouting to find players who can project to be meaningful NHLers.

Too bad he hasn't been able to finagle that young NHL center. But maybe that's coming. Clearly we had to adjust expectations around here.

This team looks worse without tanev. It's going to look even worse without Hanifin. And then it's going to look even worse without Markstrom.

And then next year after trading mangiapane, kuze, and shaggy ...it's going to be a bottom of the barrel quality of team

Don't you worry! This is about a good as the team will be through the rebuild stage! They'll be picking real high up starting next season

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So did they really just get 2 conditional picksand a tweeter?

If you want to spin negatively, sure.

It's a 1st and a 3rd minimum, very possibly a 1st and a 2nd.

And now 2.5 years to see if this Dman can "pop' with a better opportunity.

6'4, 210lbs
Right shot
Good skater
68 points in 89 AHL games despite battling injuries and buried on the depth chart of a contender

[bluejays]

In all this Treliving can’t pull off a trade? A weak draft year, many even teams, and nobody really pays a heavy price to acquire some good dmen? This year has been bizarre in so many ways when it come to the trade market. Look at past deadlines where GMs paid massively for names that were past their prime or simply mediocre. Foligno and O’Reilly come to mind. The stars aligned this year for a nice payback and it didn’t transpire for two quality guys.

[Mitch]

Also I will mention that I really like the fact Conroy is prioritizing guys the scouting department likes, regardless of nationality/pedigree. Multiple Russians picked up in Kuzmenko and Miromanov, and even going back to the 2023 draft, I recall the flames showing interest in Michkov. This has certainly not always been the case for the flames and has handicapped them in terms of talent in the past.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bluejays

In all this Treliving can’t pull off a trade? A weak draft year, many even teams, and nobody really pays a heavy price to acquire some good dmen? This year has been bizarre in so many ways when it come to the trade market. Look at past deadlines where GMs paid massively for names that were past their prime or simply mediocre. Foligno and O’Reilly come to mind. The stars aligned this year for a nice payback and it didn’t transpire for two quality guys.

That's why they should have tried to sell last year a bit.

For whatever reason last year the entire Eastern Conference lost their mind leading up to the deadline.

Boston, Toronto, Rangers. Tampa, New Jersey, and others all gave up lots of future assets.

Problem is none of those teams won the cup, most didn't win even make the conference finals, and now all those teams have no assets and are being gunshy.

It hasn't really been talked about but I don't think an Eastern Conference team has moved a first yet this year.

[Nelson]

(1) I felt underwhelmed by the return. However, it was important for me to remember the reasonable expectation for this trade. First, Seravalli, who everyone hates but who has been correct in all his takes about the Flames this deadline, initially said the Hampus Lindholm return was a reasonable expectation. That was a 1 + 2*2nd + a 2022 1st round pick. However, Seravalli revised himself after word came out about Tampa. He said the return would be less than the Hampus Lindholm return. Second, the Hronek trade return for a slightly worse but RFA defenceman, was similar. Third, the Chiarot trade return for a much worse defenceman heading into UFA, was slightly worse. So, I still don’t feel excited about the return, but I think Conroy was in the ballpark of reasonable expectations, from an insider and three trades.

(2) I am very happy that Conroy has managed to re-sign or get valuable futures for the team’s 2024 UFAs, except Kylington. But Kylington’s public comments and circumstances point towards an easy re-sign. Conroy has followed through with his plan of not losing anyone for nothing, good asset management, and that is a positive.

(3) In the aftermath of this trade, the Flames need to go into the off-season with a plan of moving Zary to center next season. Honzek has played most of the season at LW. So, Zary is the only young player/prospect in the organization, with pedigree, who is a center. This is the glaring weakness of the re-something currently.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So did they really just get 2 conditional picksand a tweeter?

Miramanov is busy on social media?

Gonna go see what he has to say about being traded now!

[CliffFletcher]

You would hope CP will learn a lesson from this UFA sell-off. That 95 per cent of rumoured deals are wildly unrealistic speculation. The NHL market is clinical and calculating, and GMs can’t use bargaining skillz to extract more assets from other teams. And top prospects are almost never traded anymore unless it’s for another top prospect.

But who are we kidding. It will happen against next season. Fans will speculate about turning Mangiapane into a 1st and one of a team’s better prospects. That speculation will transform into a rumoured deal. Posters who suggest realistic returns will be ridiculed and dogpiled. And when Mangiapane ends up returning a 2nd and a 4th, people will complain that Conroy should have traded harder.

[The Cobra]

I think the following are clear to me:

1. Conroy got the best deal he could. Common sense dictates that.
2. Posters are disappointed with the return. You just need to read the expectations in the last few weeks to see that.
3. We have zero idea of the market. It can change from year to year since it is based solely on supply and demand, which varies greatly from year to year. In fact it can readily change day to day as needs get supplied.
4. Hanifin may have been overrated by us. We have no real idea what other GM’s in need thought of him. Or maybe know we do.
5. I don’t believe the agent made any difference. Hanifin was basically a rental like most UFA’s. He was valued as such.
6. Posters generally have exaggerated views on what returns are going to be. Just read through the threads. Stankoven for Tanev? Premium prospects are seldom if never in play. I think it’s based more on wishful thinking than actual belief. And that’s OK.
7. We got what most of us wanted, a true rebuild.