Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You must be confused. I’ve called Hamas a terrorist organization repeatedly and haven’t justified anything they’ve done.

You’re the guy who called Palestinian civilians animals and said they deserved what was coming to them, right?

Blocked all 3 of you now so keep talking idc, go post another Al Jazeera article and claim its reliable

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Blocked all 3 of you now so keep talking idc, go post another Al Jazeera article and claim its reliable

Ah, shucks. I’m sure this will last as long as the 4 times you’ve claimed being done with this thread.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Blocked all 3 of you now so keep talking idc, go post another Al Jazeera article and claim its reliable

You mentioned him by name, stating a falsehood, and when you get called on it you stick your head in the sand. I'd like to be on your side because I'm wholeheartedly against the actions of Hamas, but you need to quit with the personal attacks and understand that Israel needs to be held to a higher standard than terrorists and dictatorships.

I do agree that Al Jazeera shouldn't be trusted when it comes to Israel, but I do think they do some good work in areas they aren't biased towards.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

You mentioned him by name, stating a falsehood, and when you get called on it you stick your head in the sand. I'd like to be on your side because I'm wholeheartedly against the actions of Hamas, but you need to quit with the personal attacks and understand that Israel needs to be held to a higher standard than terrorists and dictatorships.

I do agree that Al Jazeera shouldn't be trusted when it comes to Israel, but I do think they do some good work in areas they aren't biased towards.

Never said Israel shouldn’t be held to a higher standard

[gvitaly]

I know a lot of you don't like Ben Shapiro, but he's pretty good at conveying ideas.

Here's a video that debunks some of the myths the Palestinian side likes to tell.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713573517243863168

Again, I'm not saying you have to like the guy, but I also don't think you can simply discount what he says because you don't like him.

I also don't agree with posts saying all western propaganda has been debunked etc. Essentially classifying everything that happened and everything Israel shows as false.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I know a lot of you don't like Ben Shapiro, but he's pretty good at conveying ideas.

Here's a video that debunks some of the myths the Palestinian side likes to tell.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713573517243863168

Again, I'm not saying you have to like the guy, but I also don't think you can simply discount what he says because you don't like him.

I also don't agree with posts saying all western propaganda has been debunked etc. Essentially classifying everything that happened and everything Israel shows as false.

People don’t discount him because he’s unlikeable, people discount him because he’s repeatedly been found to spread misinformation (far beyond the realm of the Israel/Palestine conflict) on purpose, which is easily debunked, and usually has a poor understanding of almost any subject he discusses, which doesn’t actually matter because his entire business model is courting controversy. He’s poor at conveying ideas, and the ideas he does convey are usually terrible.

You can absolutely discount him, 100%. If you are nodding along to a Ben Shapiro video, you have gotten something wrong.

[DownInFlames]

You know the saying, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"? Maybe that video is one of the times Shapiro is right, but I'm not going to take that chance and watch it. Besides, he's really, really unlikeable.

If you want to share a summary of what he says I'll read it though.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

People don’t discount him because he’s unlikeable, people discount him because he’s repeatedly been found to spread misinformation (far beyond the realm of the Israel/Palestine conflict) on purpose, which is easily debunked, and usually has a poor understanding of almost any subject he discusses, which doesn’t actually matter because his entire business model is courting controversy. He’s poor at conveying ideas, and the ideas he does convey are usually terrible.

You can absolutely discount him, 100%. If you are nodding along to a Ben Shapiro video, you have gotten something wrong.

I'm nodding along because it is in large part matches my history lessons in Israel. I went to school there, you can argue that makes my biased. However Shapiro is better than me at wording the subject. I don't mind you you making the effort and debunking his take if it is that easily debunked. Dismissing it completely is another issue.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Blocked all 3 of you now

Not surprised, you do seem to be a fan of blockades against regular people.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Israel can continue to exist. There is a lot of good there. I just think they need to let go of the "state for Jews" thing. There are Arabs, Christians and all sorts of other non-Jews there, and they all seem to get along decently for the most part. Israel should be for those people too.

This means shunning the wacko Zionists, and prosecuting their activities. This means embracing mixed communities instead of what the Settlers are trying to do. Arab kids and Jewish kids etc. all need to go to school and play together to grow up learning that the other group isn't some faceless homogenous evil, but in fact just a bunch of humans.

Thank you for your consent. As for the Arabs living in the Jewish state, if and when a Palestinian state is created let’s see how many of them call the movers.

[WCW Nitro]

A 6 year old Muslim boy in America stabbed in his apartment and is dead due to the conflict.


https://abc7chicago.com/plainfield-m...y-il/13918623/


The child, stabbed 26 times, was transported in critical condition to a local hospital, where he was later pronounced dead, the sheriff's office said. The woman was hospitalized in serious condition, and is expected to survive.


Czuba did not make any statements to detectives about his involvement in the attack, but detectives determined that he targeted the victims due to their Muslim identities and the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and Israel.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm nodding along because it is in large part matches my history lessons in Israel. I went to school there, you can argue that makes my biased. However Shapiro is better than me at wording the subject. I don't mind you you making the effort and debunking his take if it is that easily debunked. Dismissing it completely is another issue.

That’s not really how it works, right? For what reason would anyone spend the time watching a Ben Shapiro video and then spend the time debunking it, when it’s already been explained why he’s earned the reputation of someone worth 0% of your time and respect? “Here’s a guy who regularly peddles misinformation and shares unintellectual, hateful ideas for clicks. Please watch his video and debunk him.” Well… no, man.

If there’s some good stuff in there and it’s the same as what you learned in school, it shouldn’t be particularly hard for you to share and you certainly don’t need Ben Shapiro to make your point. In fact, if Ben Shapiro is the only source that shares the same position and says it “best,” then that’s a red flag on it’s own. If it’s something worth saying, you can find a much smarter person than Shapiro to say it for you.

[Manhattanboy]

Just listened to a heartbreaking interview with an Israeli doctor treating burn victims, including several children. They poured gasoline into the shelters where families huddled, lit fires and tossed grenades.

But according to thousands of supposedly bright university students, it never happened.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not really how it works, right? For what reason would anyone spend the time watching a Ben Shapiro video and then spend the time debunking it, when it’s already been explained why he’s earned the reputation of someone worth 0% of your time and respect? “Here’s a guy who regularly peddles misinformation and shares unintellectual, hateful ideas for clicks. Please watch his video and debunk him.” Well… no, man.

If there’s some good stuff in there and it’s the same as what you learned in school, it shouldn’t be particularly hard for you to share and you certainly don’t need Ben Shapiro to make your point. In fact, if Ben Shapiro is the only source that shares the same position and says it “best,” then that’s a red flag on it’s own. If it’s something worth saying, you can find a much smarter person than Shapiro to say it for you.

I don't have to find anything. You don't want to watch it then fine. All the Al-Jazera and Pro Palestinian crap you guys are posting can be dismissed on the same basis. I'm not going to spend time to try and find another source simply for you to dismiss it for another BS reason.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't have to find anything. You don't want to watch it then fine. All the Al-Jazera and Pro Palestinian crap you guys are posting can be dismissed on the same basis. I'm not going to spend time to try and find another source simply for you to dismiss it for another BS reason.

So Palestine is synonymous with Hamas in your view? Any sympathy expressed towards innocent Palestinians civilians is Pro-Palestine = Pro-Hamas?

I think you’re confusing whatever toxic chatter you’re seeing on Twitter as sentiments from here.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

A 6 year old Muslim boy in America stabbed in his apartment and is dead due to the conflict.


https://abc7chicago.com/plainfield-m...y-il/13918623/


The child, stabbed 26 times, was transported in critical condition to a local hospital, where he was later pronounced dead, the sheriff's office said. The woman was hospitalized in serious condition, and is expected to survive.


Czuba did not make any statements to detectives about his involvement in the attack, but detectives determined that he targeted the victims due to their Muslim identities and the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and Israel.

So sad.
Unfortunately I think we're going to see more violence in countries around the world due to hatred from this war.
I hope I'm wrong but I won't be surprised if something happens in Canada too.

[GullFoss]

The hamas attack isn't acceptable or justifiable.

Do people think an attack by disenfranchised Palestinians was an inevitability on a long enough timescale given Israeli foreign policy with regards to the occupied Palestinian territories?

A number of political analysts seemed to foreshadow the likelihood of an armed escalation in the months prior to Hamas's terrorist attack. I'm curious as to how they were able to do that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't have to find anything. You don't want to watch it then fine. All the Al-Jazera and Pro Palestinian crap you guys are posting can be dismissed on the same basis. I'm not going to spend time to try and find another source simply for you to dismiss it for another BS reason.

You do, if you want people to take you seriously.

I haven’t posted a link to Al-Jazeera. I have posted links to Amnesty International, Associated Press, PBS, an excerpt from Great Britain’s Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.

Can you please indicate which of those is “Pro Palestinian crap” that can be dismissed on the same basis as Ben Shapiro (purposefully spreading misinformation and hate for clicks)?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So Palestine is synonymous with Hamas in your view? Any sympathy expressed towards innocent Palestinians civilians is Pro-Palestine = Pro-Hamas?

I would be grateful if you didn't put words in my mouth. I actually have sympathy for the Palestinian people. I just don't blame Israel for everything that happens. You guys just have a complete double standard.

None of you have a solution of how Israel is supposed to live peacefully with the Hamas. Everyone is opposed to Israeli strikes, and an Israeli ground offensive. Yet no one is proposing a solution that would actually work.

You guys conveniently call call Israel an Aphrodite state yet Arabs that comprise 20% of the Israeli population have the same rights. Despite it being a 'jewish' state. Arab politicians are elected into the Kneset, and were even part of the Lapid-Bennet coalition government. Arabs also serve in the IDF.

Israel tried to get peace numerous times with Rabin, Bibi, Barak and Olmert. all those attempts were rejected. With the Palestinian side being dug in on the 67 borders.

Israel withdrew all its forces from Gaza, in order to reduce casualties and establish quiet for its citizens.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Blocked all 3 of you now so keep talking idc, go post another Al Jazeera article and claim its reliable

I think that says more about you than them.