Sutter is the problem

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It would not shock me if Edwards has informed Maloney that Sutter is staying and this evaluation talk is nothing more than a smoke screen to make it look like the incoming GM actually decided to keep Sutter. Sutter is Edwards guy and Edwards is one of those guys that thinks he's always right. IMO the reason Sutter hasn't been available for interviews as that they know what type of questions will be asked and they don't want Darryl answering them in front of the media to make the situation look even more dysfunctional.

Could be, but for the love of god could you please get that smiling billionaire out of your avatar. Triggered....

[Macindoc]

Sutter is still under contract. The decision of whether to keep him is the job of the new GM. Why pay to buy out his contract if the new GM hasn't decided yet if that is what they want to do? The Flames just need to make it clear that the new GM has full power to hire and fire coaching staff as they see fit, providing that they show some degree of responsibility in their spending (keeping in mind that the extension of Sutter's contract was Treliving's mistake). If the Flames don't offer this degree of autonomy to the incoming GM, the quality of the candidates who would consider the job will be severely restricted.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why not fire him now then? Maloney was in the player interviews. He knows what's going on. Why burden the incoming GM with the situation?

Because Edwards can tell Sutter that the new GM had to have the call on all the roster and coaching staff and it doesn't sour things between them. It should also be the next GM's choice on if he wants him to be his coach or not. Given the way things played out this year I can't see any way he isn't let go.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Assuming Sutter went over the line this year and players are resentful, but also knowing he dragged a great year out of a lot of players the year before, I wonder if they don't give him a year to sort things out with the players, or at least the off-season/beginning of the season.

With several of key players going into their UFA season, that seems like a really risky move.

Only reason he is back, owner don't want to fire him and pay another coach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flambers

With several of key players going into their UFA season, that seems like a really risky move.

Only reason he is back, owner don't want to fire him and pay another coach.

How so? They can trade them until end of February 2024. Or they can fire him at the beginning of the year. That’s certainly the MO of a lot of teams. Hell, it’s how Sutter was first hired here.

EDIT: I suspect they aren’t going to be as convicted that this year’s all on Sutter.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by flambers

With several of key players going into their UFA season, that seems like a really risky move.

Only reason he is back, owner don't want to fire him and pay another coach.

It's 8M, that is peanuts compared to having your players not happy that make more money as well as compromising your opportunity to win.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flambers

With several of key players going into their UFA season, that seems like a really risky move.

Only reason he is back, owner don't want to fire him and pay another coach.

Owner just saved a #### ton on an arena deal

Time to turf him

Maybe after the Wranglers are done

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Owner just saved a #### ton on an arena deal

Time to turf him

Maybe after the Wranglers are done

If the Wranglers go deep and the city gets behind them as expected they might make Sutters 8m and break even

[Paulie Walnuts]

Seems like he will be back unfortunately.

The owner runs this city sticks it to us in every way tax evading company steals an arena and gives us a crappy coach who is on his second path of destruction.

[Manhattanboy]

Watching the playoffs it’s so apparent how slow the Flames are.

They look out of shape compared to the playoff teams.

[combustiblefuel]

trelliving let
brodie ,gio and johnny hockey for nothing ...let that set in.....

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

trelliving let
brodie ,gio and johnny hockey for nothing ...let that set in.....

That's a nothing burger, see prime rib Tkachuk's walk away contract and the $10.5m wiener we got in return

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If the Wranglers go deep and the city gets behind them as expected they might make Sutters 8m and break even

Calgary is a major city, I would be shocked if you saw more than 4k in the Dome at ANY point during a Wranglers run.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Calgary is a major city, I would be shocked if you saw more than 4k in the Dome at ANY point during a Wranglers run.

Drink much?

Game one:
Attendance: 5654

official-game-report

[Gemnoble]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/artic...16448_38746861

Apparently Dreger said multiple players aren't returning if Sutter stays.

[Azure]

I'd venture a strong guess that agents are leaking that info to Dreger in hopes that Sutter is fired, but I'd be shocked if players under active contract don't show up for training camp.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Calgary is a major city, I would be shocked if you saw more than 4k in the Dome at ANY point during a Wranglers run.

Right now you can’t buy two tickets together, although I’m not sure how many tickets are currently for sale. But since there are currently singles available as far up as row 10 in the second level, they have sold a lot of tickets.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

trelliving let
brodie ,gio and johnny hockey for nothing ...let that set in.....

The Gio thing is unfair. EVERY team lost a player in expansion.
And Gio was the right one to expose.
I get it - he should have traded him such that didn't lose him for nothing. But then they would have lost a different player, like Kylington.

[really?]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

trelliving let
brodie ,gio and johnny hockey for nothing ...let that set in.....

And if they don’t change their heading immediately there will be a bunch of names to add to that list next year. Or perhaps they’ll grossly overpay aging players in an effort to avoid the stigma attached to being that franchise. Let that marinate.

Sutter knows the league and gets effort from everyone on board, but committing to his “present is everything” approach results in a scorched earth landscape fairly quickly. He’s finishing his business and it’s beginning to look like a masterpiece.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'd venture a strong guess that agents are leaking that info to Dreger in hopes that Sutter is fired, but I'd be shocked if players under active contract don't show up for training camp.

Even so it's not ideal for a group of players to not be on board with the head coach as it's hard to imagine a successful season being born of that as if anything they could play to get him fired.