Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I could be wrong but weren’t you one of those people? You were screaming to the high heavens in 2021 this team had no elite talent (including Tkachuk and Gaudreau) and needed to tear it down.

I feel like Tkachuk was absolutely beloved in 2019/20. The Kassian thing ignited and we won the 2 games where it was a big deal. He fought Wheeler after the Schiefele incident and many sympathized with him when he was losing his mind when the team blew a 3-0 lead in game 6 against Dallas.

20/21 there was definitely a lot of hate/shade being thrown his way by the fans.

And 20/21 was when the rumors of him demanding a trade, not being happy with his teammates, and not being happy with how Sutter used him that season first came up.

The reason Tkachuk isn't a Flame today isn't because the fanbase, or even the organization soured on him.

The fanbase still loved him and his family last season during the season and playoffs.

The organization was still likely willing to give him the same $84M deal that Huberdeau got, and he likely would have eventually been captain.

It was Tkachuk that decided he didn't want to be a Flames player anymore. And honestly I think that narrative is being overlooked now. The org didn't choose to cut ties with him, he wanted to leave.

Could the Flames have gotten a different/better return? Maybe, would love to know what the rest of the Carolina package was.

Is there a world where Tkachuk is still a Flame? Probably not, and that was his choice.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And 20/21 was when the rumors of him demanding a trade, not being happy with his teammates, and not being happy with how Sutter used him that season first came up.

The reason Tkachuk isn't a Flame today isn't because the fanbase, or even the organization soured on him.

The fanbase still loved him and his family last season during the season and playoffs.

The organization was still likely willing to give him the same $84M deal that Huberdeau got, and he likely would have eventually been captain.

It was Tkachuk that decided he didn't want to be a Flames player anymore. And honestly I think that narrative is being overlooked now. The org didn't choose to cut ties with him, he wanted to leave.

100% agree. If it was the coach, Covid restrictions, weather, organization, city, country, we will never know. He went to a warm climate, tax haven, where there were no pandemic restrictions and a good team.

Personally when Tkachuk said he wanted out I was far less surprised than when Gaudreau left and I thought they were both going to bail.

I still think the reason people do not hate Tkachuk for it is because of the deal we got from Florida. Gaudreau paralyzed the team through draft weekend to leave us for Columbus. Many of us felt betrayed and angry being left for nothing. I think many were surprised the Flames had 5-6 teams to work with and were able to get multiple star players and futures back when the team had their back to the wall.

[FanIn80]

Tkachuk opens the scoring a minute and 15 into the game.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Tkachuk opens the scoring a minute and 15 into the game.

Rough night in Philly so far

[blender]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The sad part of this all is that a lot of this fanbase soured on Tkachuk so much in 19/20 & 20/21.

Many said that his attitude was a problem. He wasn't the one driving his line, his offensive output was because of his linemates.

Bad takes all around.

It's mostly bad takes around here. Especially when the team is playing poorly.

I appreciate the back and forth and there are some really great posters that keep us updated on news and statistics, but for the most part the "takes" are emotional, overwrought whining by a bunch of fans with limited hockey knowledge beyond watching for entertainment or playing at a low level.

It is fine, and nothing to be ashamed of, as it is a fan forum after all, but it gets a little rich sometimes when people take themselves and others too seriously.

[Roof-Daddy]

lol what a disaster of a ####ing season

Only thing that would make it worse would be the canucks winning the Bedard lottery

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol what a disaster of a ####ing season

Only thing that would make it worse would be the canucks winning the Bedard lottery

Canucks win the draft lottery.

Oilers and Panthers in the SCFs with Edmonton winning, but Tkachuk lights it up so much that he wins the MVP despite being on the losing team.

Flames name Darryl Sutter coach and GM for the 2023-2024 season.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Canucks win the draft lottery.

Oilers and Panthers in the SCFs with Edmonton winning, but Tkachuk lights it up so much that he wins the MVP despite being on the losing team.

Flames name Darryl Sutter coach and GM for the 2023-2024 season.

I really hope you didn’t manifest this

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

100% agree. If it was the coach, Covid restrictions, weather, organization, city, country, we will never know. He went to a warm climate, tax haven, where there were no pandemic restrictions and a good team.

Personally when Tkachuk said he wanted out I was far less surprised than when Gaudreau left and I thought they were both going to bail.

I still think the reason people do not hate Tkachuk for it is because of the deal we got from Florida. Gaudreau paralyzed the team through draft weekend to leave us for Columbus. Many of us felt betrayed and angry being left for nothing. I think many were surprised the Flames had 5-6 teams to work with and were able to get multiple star players and futures back when the team had their back to the wall.

No. The team paralyzed itself. Gaudreau used every minute afforded to him, because why wouldn't he?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by blender

It's mostly bad takes around here. Especially when the team is playing poorly.

I appreciate the back and forth and there are some really great posters that keep us updated on news and statistics, but for the most part the "takes" are emotional, overwrought whining by a bunch of fans with limited hockey knowledge beyond watching for entertainment or playing at a low level.

It is fine, and nothing to be ashamed of, as it is a fan forum after all, but it gets a little rich sometimes when people take themselves and others too seriously.

Not to suggest they haven't been far below expectations this season but it is kinda funny when MVP Tkachuk's team he is pulling into the playoffs with his amazing play has the exact same amount of points as the lowly Flames. Only difference is the last WC team in the east has been even more pathetic than the one in the West.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not to suggest they haven't been far below expectations this season but it is kinda funny when MVP Tkachuk's team he is pulling into the playoffs with his amazing play has the exact same amount of points as the lowly Flames. Only difference is the last WC team in the east has been even more pathetic than the one in the West.

The Panthers spent most of the season out of a playoff spot and have fought their way into one recently. By contrast the Flames spent most of the season in a spot and in the past month bumbled their way to 10th place. That's the difference. One team peaked early - the other is starting to peak now.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Technically not a former Flame, but he was on a PTO:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638350249537282054

[FanIn80]

Saw this today, while looking into when players enter their prime:

Because the position requires size, power forwards are usually late bloomers who don't become very effective until they are in their mid-20s when their body becomes bigger and more mature.

Since the motive was my curiosity around when Tkachuk could be considered to have entered his prime, here are some numbers since his 24th birthday (December 11, 2021):

Main Stats

• 11th in goals (65, tied with Brayden Point)
• 2nd in assists (McDavid: 128, Tkachuk: 113)
• 2nd overall in points (McDavid: 214, Tkachuk: 178, Draisaitl: 171)
• 2nd in P/GP (1.45, tied with McKinnon, 0.03 ahead of Kucherov)

Accessory Stats

• 2nd in +/- (+2 behind Grzelcyk, +3 ahead of D. Toews, +10 ahead of Makar)
• 17th in PIMs (130)
• 37th in TOI/GP (amongst forwards) (19:19, tied with RNH)

Even Strength and 5v5 Stats

• 1st in even-strength points (125, 2 ahead of McDavid)
• 1st in 5v5 points (105, 6 ahead of Marner)
• 7th in 5v5 goals (40, 1 ahead of McKinnon)
• 2nd in 5v5 assists (65, 1 behind Marner)
• 2nd in 5v5 primary assists (40, tied with Gaudreau, 2 behind Marner and 2 ahead of McDavid
• 1st in 5v5 points per 5v5 60mins (Tkachuk: 3.57, Marner: 3.49) (McDavid: 2.77)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Panthers spent most of the season out of a playoff spot and have fought their way into one recently. By contrast the Flames spent most of the season in a spot and in the past month bumbled their way to 10th place. That's the difference. One team peaked early - the other is starting to peak now.

Well they have the exact same points...Pens, Caps, Sabres, falling off a cliff was as big a factor for the Panthers as anything.

Pens lost 4 in a row including Columbus, Montreal, and the Sens before beating the Avs tonight. Pretty fortunate.

Wild Cards are shockingly lower in the east.

Just thought it was funny how people are talking about the Flames like the worst team of all time and the Panthers are all heart. Tied in the standings.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well they have the exact same points...Pens, Caps, Sabres, falling off a cliff was as big a factor for the Panthers as anything.

Pens lost 4 in a row including Columbus, Montreal, and the Sens before beating the Avs tonight. Pretty fortunate.

Wild Cards are shockingly lower in the east.

Just thought it was funny how people are talking about the Flames like the worst team of all time and the Panthers are all heart. Tied in the standings.

I think the difference is that the Panthers are led by a very young superstar who is trading upwards as the season goes along.

The Flames are led by no one.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Canucks win the draft lottery.

Oilers and Panthers in the SCFs with Edmonton winning, but Tkachuk lights it up so much that he wins the MVP despite being on the losing team.

Flames name Darryl Sutter coach and GM for the 2023-2024 season.

Jesus H, are you related to Steven King? that is epic nightmare material

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well they have the exact same points...Pens, Caps, Sabres, falling off a cliff was as big a factor for the Panthers as anything.

Pens lost 4 in a row including Columbus, Montreal, and the Sens before beating the Avs tonight. Pretty fortunate.

Wild Cards are shockingly lower in the east.

Just thought it was funny how people are talking about the Flames like the worst team of all time and the Panthers are all heart. Tied in the standings.

Panthers have a game in hand and are 7-2-1 in their last 10. They've climbed their way out of their predicament by playing well, not just by other teams failing.

Jets have 83 points while the Pens have 80 with a game in hand... not as different as you make it out to be.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Panthers have a game in hand and are 7-2-1 in their last 10. They've climbed their way out of their predicament by playing well, not just by other teams failing.

Jets have 83 points while the Pens have 80 with a game in hand... not as different as you make it out to be.

WC1 86 vs 82
WC2 85 vs 80

The difference is huge...79 point Panthers are VERY lucky to be in the race still

Making the playoffs with low 90s in points (if they do) is fortunate...until you face Boston and waste 8 days

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the difference is that the Panthers are led by a very young superstar who is trading upwards as the season goes along.

The Flames are led by no one.

at least the Flames have their 1st for the next 3 seasons

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

WC1 86 vs 82
WC2 85 vs 80

The difference is huge...79 point Panthers are VERY lucky to be in the race still

Well duh, obviously tonight's results changed things quite a bit.