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Joe Biden
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Michael Bloomberg
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Pete Buttigieg
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Bernie Sanders
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Elizabeth Warren
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03-02-2020, 12:22 PM
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I think it's a fantasy to think that any Democratic candidate will find the GOP willing to work with them. Biden was Obama's VP for 8 years and despite his self-acclaim at being able to work across the aisle, the administration was blocked at every turn.
That's the standard GOP playbook now regardless of the Democrat in power.
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03-02-2020, 12:27 PM
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#1642
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
The republicans haven’t seemed to struggle with moving their agenda forward.
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Trump has had to find every way to steal money for the Wall and he still can't find much. They got their tax cuts done through reconciliation, not with 60 votes. What Bernie wants to do is far more expensive than the tax cuts, and unless he can thread the needle with a miracle he needs 60. And as we see time and again, the GOP is far more in lockstep than the Dems. Dems actually have moderates in their party, GOP tends to be more hardliners. Bernie needs far more than the White House to get even a fraction of his agenda done.
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03-02-2020, 12:35 PM
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Where's your basis for this opinion?
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From spending time on social media forums where Obama is reviled as a centrist sellout who did nothing to move the needle on progress. The fact that opinion, as you note, is not widely held among Democrats does not mean the people who express it recognize it's not widely held. That's the nature of the echo-chambers where so many people engage in political discourse today.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...real-life.html
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03-02-2020, 12:46 PM
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It's ride or die on Bernie, now. I'll take it.
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03-02-2020, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Trump has had to find every way to steal money for the Wall and he still can't find much. They got their tax cuts done through reconciliation, not with 60 votes. What Bernie wants to do is far more expensive than the tax cuts, and unless he can thread the needle with a miracle he needs 60. And as we see time and again, the GOP is far more in lockstep than the Dems. Dems actually have moderates in their party, GOP tends to be more hardliners. Bernie needs far more than the White House to get even a fraction of his agenda done.
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Bernies understand me that single payer won’t be the outcome. (I think is people had it as a talking point a few weeks ago). It’s the republican strategy of being so far to the right that the compromise occurs right of Center that’s the goal. The conversation moves based on the extreme positions being argued for. The end point of any universal health care in the US is clearly government subsidized public option.
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03-02-2020, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
The democrats had a majority in both the house and the senate in 2008 did they not?
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Not enough to overcome a fillibuster
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03-02-2020, 12:57 PM
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One thing I think is pretty hilarious is Bloomberg bombing so badly is probably what helped push the consolidation of centrist support to Biden. If Bloomberg actually wasn't a scum#### and tanked the debates so badly he'd probably be the one heading for the 1v1 against Bernie. By sucking that much ass, he pushed everyone back to Biden even if Biden isn't the ideal choice. Though Bloomberg's ego is now on the line so you wonder if he retreats quietly to let Biden be the man, or if he pushes forward.
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03-02-2020, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GGG
Bernies understand me that single payer won’t be the outcome. (I think is people had it as a talking point a few weeks ago). It’s the republican strategy of being so far to the right that the compromise occurs right of Center that’s the goal. The conversation moves based on the extreme positions being argued for. The end point of any universal health care in the US is clearly government subsidized public option.
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Oh no doubt they know single payer is impossible, but a public option is not much easier. Dems had far more momentum for that in 2009 and they couldn't get it done. More than likely if there's any move that is achievable it's augmenting Obamacare even more.
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03-02-2020, 01:27 PM
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Considering the ages of the remaining candidates, I sure would like it if they would start issuing their short list for VP candidates, as there is a very good chance that the VP is going to end up being president a few years into their term.
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03-02-2020, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Slinger
I think it's a fantasy to think that any Democratic candidate will find the GOP willing to work with them. Biden was Obama's VP for 8 years and despite his self-acclaim at being able to work across the aisle, the administration was blocked at every turn.
That's the standard GOP playbook now regardless of the Democrat in power.
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I do think that Biden has the best chance of winning the house and senate. Biden with a democrat house and senate gets a lot more accomplished than Sanders without that.
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03-02-2020, 01:38 PM
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1234574038372159488
I think Biden on his bad days could give Trump a run for his incoherency money.
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03-02-2020, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Oh no doubt they know single payer is impossible, but a public option is not much easier. Dems had far more momentum for that in 2009 and they couldn't get it done. More than likely if there's any move that is achievable it's augmenting Obamacare even more.
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A public option is probably the best way to augment Obamacare. Obamacare was so close to being a good policy, it just left too many gaps scattered across different levels. It was such a boon for people making around the 20-50k/year range, it's just too bad it left everyone else out in the cold. If it had helped more people, it would have been much more popular and would have saved itself.
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03-02-2020, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate
Considering the ages of the remaining candidates, I sure would like it if they would start issuing their short list for VP candidates, as there is a very good chance that the VP is going to end up being president a few years into their term.
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Yep. No one under 70 left on either side. They are all in the 8% Coronavirus mortality rate, and some are creeping into the 15%.
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03-02-2020, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
Yep. No one under 70 left on either side. They are all in the 8% Coronavirus mortality rate, and some are creeping into the 15%.
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Biden/Buttigieg ticket seems ideal at this point. Biden can carry the black and possibly hispanic vote. Buttigieg can carry the suburban vote, and possibly get some of the military vote. Biden dies or gets too ill to carry on? We have a spry 39 year old in office.
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03-02-2020, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Biden/Buttigieg ticket seems ideal at this point. Biden can carry the black and possibly hispanic vote. Buttigieg can carry the suburban vote, and possibly get some of the military vote. Biden dies or gets too ill to carry on? We have a spry 39 year old in office.
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It makes sense, but I am 99% sure he goes with a woman. Probably Harris.
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03-02-2020, 02:06 PM
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It makes sense, but I am 99% sure he goes with a woman. Probably Harris.
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I would be okay with a Biden/Klobuchar ticket as well. I think she's a very underrated candidate and has a good head for governance.
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03-02-2020, 02:08 PM
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It makes sense, but I am 99% sure he goes with a woman. Probably Harris.
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I’m thinking Abrams.
Joe isn’t going to forgive Harris for her school busing takedown.
And the Democratic base won’t forgive her for her horrible record as a prosecutor.
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03-02-2020, 02:14 PM
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I would be okay with a Biden/Klobuchar ticket as well. I think she's a very underrated candidate and has a good head for governance.
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Yeah, could be her. I wonder if there was some deal making behind her quick endorsement of Biden.
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03-02-2020, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate
Considering the ages of the remaining candidates, I sure would like it if they would start issuing their short list for VP candidates, as there is a very good chance that the VP is going to end up being president a few years into their term.
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If Sanders leads going into a brokered convention, there will be some heavy wrangling over who he chooses as his running-mate. I expect the party will trade their approval of Sanders for his acquiescing in taking a moderate as his running-mate. Klobuchar would tick a lot of boxes as a woman, a moderate, and someone who could lock up Minnesota and boost a ticket in the Midwest.
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