Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by stone hands

what % of people when asked if UCP is going to repeal the carbon tax think that means there will be no more carbon tax period

100%.

Then he plans on "suing the Federal government" to get what he wants.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by stone hands

what % of people when asked if UCP is going to repeal the carbon tax think that means there will be no more carbon tax period

Probably less than 5% (especially now that its after April 1), but we can't let things like that get in the way of the narrative.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

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Then he plans on "suing the Federal government" to get what he wants.

Worked for BC to have the pipeline stopped.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Shazam

We should totally give the party that put us into a untenable financial mess another shot then.

I don’t know that’s what Cliff was suggesting, but it is worth noting that we can and should have our eyes open. It’s ok to admit that what Cliff was saying is true without just resorting to “OH I GUESS NDP THEN RIGHT?” No, but let’s see the truth on both sides.

Originally Posted by Weitz

Probably less than 5% (especially now that its after April 1), but we can't let things like that get in the way of the narrative.

I think it’s fairly naive to suggest less than 5% of people aren’t aware that the carbon tax simply gets replaced as soon as it’s “removed.” I doubt very much an insignificant number of people know that “fighting” the federal carbon tax does not mean it doesn’t get implemented in the meantime.

[flamesfever]

I wouldn't be too upset if the NDP went back in. Kenney seems a little too abrasive for me. I think ending the Carbon Tax will create more problems than benefit for us. I also admire RN for her tireless effort in getting the word out to the rest of Canada concerning our need for more pipelines.

I also think Alberta's debt situation is not that critical, and we can afford a little more social spending...until such time as the boom times return, if they ever will to the level experienced in the past.

I compare our situation today in Alberta to the 80's, after the NEP, when the economy was fairly stagnant for a significant period of tme.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I also admire RN for her tireless effort in getting the word out to the rest of Canada concerning our need for more pipelines.

I also think Alberta's debt situation is not that critical, and we can afford a little more social spending...until such time as the boom times return, if they ever will to the level experienced in the past.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Honestly, she has put in a lot of effort over the past few years in trying to make pipelines happen. Yes, she wasn't a huge fan of the oil and gas industry before but she realizes what she needs to accomplish to be re-elected and has been trying. Putting in a carbon tax wasn't the worst idea (Kenny's ideas aren't much better in the long-run) and something that is still inevitable (does anyone really think the liberals are not going to win a majority again?). She is a politician, they all switch on issues the moment it is better for them to do so can't blame her for that.

I can't wait until all these people who think Kenny is a saviour realize that he is going to do nothing more than Notley has been able to accomplish in the sense of building pipelines.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Honestly, she has put in a lot of effort over the past few years in making sure pipelines can happen.

No, she has not. How many times does this need to be said before it sinks in?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1113956196401254401

She's also provided precious little resistance to bills in Ottawa that have been proposed that will make it incredibly difficult to build this infrastructure in the future. Saying that Kenney won't have any more success than Notley is defensible, given the way confederation is set up. But it's laughable to try to cast her as some tireless warrior for pipeline infrastructure. That's not who she is. The only thing that springs to mind when I read that is those paintings of "Pious Trump".

[Looch City]

All I get from Kenney's "tactic" is that he's basically going to pick fights with everyone and their mother. I'm not sure how that will help Alberta's position with the rest of Canada.

[transplant99]

Who’s she? She’s the NDP candidate in Calgary-Varsity, though you’d never know it from her literature. It’s emblazoned with the colours of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta, blue with a slight tinge of orange. She’s endorsed by the Firefighters of Alberta, a group you might associate with the conservatives because of Bill Smith, a former firefighter who ran for Calgary mayor in 2017.

But McGrath is actually running for the NDP. And in 1984 she ran for the Communist Party of Canada as a 26-year-old education student at the University of Alberta.

Now you might say what someone believed more than 30 years ago has no bearing on who they are today. But after the vicious attack on Jason Kenney’s student activism in San Francisco, the NDP can’t say that now, can they?

Just in case you’ve forgotten about the incompetence and evil of Communist ideology, Quillette has recently published a helpful reminder of the estimated 70 million deaths in Mao’s China and the 10 million Ukrainian deaths in Stalin’s Soviet Union through genocidal state-sponsored starvation, not to mention the “hidden mass graves, the illegal human experiments, the secret surveillance systems, the assassinations … erasing your opponents by murdering them and then wiping all traces of their existence from the history books.”

If McGrath ran for the Fascist Party in 1984 she would, quite rightly, never be a candidate fit for public office again. The fact that she ran for the Communist party, an ideology that killed 10 times more people, should make her 10 times more unfit to run for public office.

But slap a bit of blue paint on campaign materials with the endorsement of a union full of brawny, well-respected professional firefighters, and all youthful transgressions are to be forgiven.

Also...

It turns out the unions can spend even more now. Under the old rules, campaign finance laws limited union and corporate political donations to $30,000. But there’s no limit on union and corporate donations for third-party advertising. The Firefighters of Alberta have so far spent $61,712. The Alberta Teachers’ Association has spent $270,000. The Alberta Federation of Labour has cobbled together nearly $60,000 from its subsidiaries.

So Im sure there will be outrage that a communist is an NDP candidate and must be removed....right?

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...cp-the-squeeze

[transplant99]

This made me laugh

https://twitter.com/user/status/1113969669986062336

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

All I get from Kenney's "tactic" is that he's basically going to pick fights with everyone and their mother. I'm not sure how that will help Alberta's position with the rest of Canada.

It won't. But it will give vent to the persecution complex Albertans feel whenever oil prices tank.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Also...



So Im sure there will be outrage that a communist is an NDP candidate and must be removed....right?

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...cp-the-squeeze

Her being a Communist tells us almost nothing about her. Did she praise Mao and Stalin or, like most Communists I've met, was she an idealistic hippie who wants a world where everyone shares the wealth? If it's the latter I would hope she's grown to see how unrealistic that is, and if it's the former then I would agree that she shouldn't be running. But nice try, and it doesn't change the fact that awful people are running, or tried to run, for the UCP.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It won't. But it will give vent to the persecution complex Albertans feel whenever oil prices tank.

You have no idea if that is true or not...none. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. All sorts of things can come from it. Discussions, more provincial allies, or even court decisions.

But speaking of complexes, your superiority about how all "Albertans" feel is certainly noted.

Brutal take.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Her being a Communist tells us almost nothing about her. Did she praise Mao and Stalin or, like most Communists I've met, was she an idealistic hippie who wants a world where everyone shares the wealth? If it's the latter I would hope she's grown to see how unrealistic that is, and if it's the former then I would agree that she shouldn't be running. But nice try, and it doesn't change the fact that awful people are running, or tried to run, for the UCP.

Yup....double standards are OK...got it!!

Doesn't really matter though, she wont get a sniff of office.

[MoneyGuy]

Notley was like John Tavares on the shootout attempt when he flubbed and lost the puck.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup....double standards are OK...got it!!

Doesn't really matter though, she wont get a sniff of office.

You had this response locked and loaded, didn't you? Merely being a Communist isn't bad like merely being a preacher isn't bad. Sorry that we don't live in a black and white world.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup....double standards are OK...got it!!

Doesn't really matter though, she wont get a sniff of office.

But people like Mark Smith are likely to get a sniff, and therein lies a far more major problem. This is incredibly concerning, and has nothing to do with jobs, pipelines, economy, or anything - the fact that he is still around and possibly in a future high-ranking position is just . . . unfathomable.

I think most Albertans are far more concerned with the Mark Smith's of this election than they are with the Ann McGrath's.

And they should be.

It is incredibly troubling to know that my children may be governed by people like Smith and their hateful, spiteful, intolerant ways.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

You had this response locked and loaded, didn't you? Merely being a Communist isn't bad like merely being a preacher isn't bad. Sorry that we don't live in a black and white world.

That the NDP are full of double standards? Hell yes...been saying as much for years.

And yes running for the Communist party of Canada in 1984 means everything you wish it didnt. Has she changed in 35 years? I would think probably so. Just like everyone does over time.

Hmmmm...seems to me there was an ad out about what someone in this election said 30 years ago and how it reflected they were still the same now, but again....double standards.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

You had this response locked and loaded, didn't you? Merely being a Communist isn't bad like merely being a preacher isn't bad. Sorry that we don't live in a black and white world.

You mean ideologies don’t actually murder people?