General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by troutman

Anson Carter is rumored to be an investor.

wasn't he also a rumoured investor with Atlanta?

[Stay Golden]

The PHX soap opera just gets more ridiculous each, day, week, month, year.
I fully expect another decade to go by with new sets of ownership rumors, deals caving in along the way.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

more bad news for the jamison gropup as based on this thread, i am assuming that jose canseco is out as an investor.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=119519

This is what I don't get, if he's short on buying it, how is he possibly going to manage the impending losses?

This thing is being forced and won't solve anything.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by nik-

This is what I don't get, if he's short on buying it, how is he possibly going to manage the impending losses?

This thing is being forced and won't solve anything.

it is funny how you know this, and i know this, and so do dozens of other posters on this site - but yet both the NHL and the CoG have hitched their wagons to his horse.

makes me wonder who the smart guyus in the room really are......

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale business group seeks appeal to get sales-tax initiative on the ballot. http://bit.ly/MToLup

The group, known as Save Glendale Now, said in a Thursday release said it had filed a notice of appeal with the Arizona State Supreme Court in hopes of reversing Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Robert Oberbillig's ruling.

[troutman]

Glendale City Council candidates live chat: Cactus District

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...live-chat.html

Should the city continue its efforts to keep the Phoenix Coyotes? Why or why not?

I hope they do stay. But I don’t want to subsidize them with taxpayers’ money. We just talked about youth programs, I would just as soon have the youth participating.
by Ian Hugh

I love the Coyotes. I think they're a great asset to the community and to the state of Arizona. The players and their families are parts of our communities here. I'd love for the team to stay but not at the expense of the taxpayers that's been laid out in this current agreement. I believe that the NHL could do a better deal to help out the citizens of Glendale who have provided a home for the team in these past years.
by Stew Radawec

It is not a question of whether we want to keep the Coyotes or not. The Coyotes are welcome to stay as long as they want in Glendale, but they need to be self-sufficient and pay their fair share of the expense for the occupancy of the arena.
by Diane Lesser

If the city of Glendale cannot afford the Coyotes then we should not keep them. If we have the money to fund them, we keep them. I believe that this one issue should be brought to us residents to vote on, if we want to keep them or not. It’s a good venue for the city to take pride in having the Coyotes but it’s a big expense that we cannot afford. It’s costing the city of Glendale to lose services. We can’t hire our police or our firefighter positions because we have this big budget issue on our hands. If the Coyotes were self-sustaining, that would be a great thing for Glendale.
by Vincent Ornelas

It’s not so much a matter of keeping or not keeping a particular sports franchise. It’s a matter of doing the right thing with a city-owned multi-use facility. I would certainly hope that the Phoenix Coyotes could be involved, could continue to have their presence in Glendale, but that would have to be balanced with the best interests of the Glendale taxpayers. We have a beautiful, modern, state-of the-art facility. There’s every reason to believe that with the proper arena management agree in place, we could replace the hockey dates and eventually increase the events and types of events that would help offset the cost of owning and operating the arena.
by Gary Hirsch

[troutman]

Glendale City Council candidates live chat: Sahuaro District

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...live-chat.html

What is each of your stance on the Coyotes?

I have nothing against the Coyotes or hockey or the NHL. It’s kind of hard when the question is asked like that. I hope they can remain a viable part of Glendale. However, I do not believe the taxpayers should be subsidizing them to do so. The arena should be working for the citizens of Glendale. It should be self-supporting. It should be generating revenue for the citizens of Glendale, not taking revenue away from them.
by Diane Douglas

I would love the Coyotes to stay in Glendale but not at taxpayer expense. The Coyotes have never generated revenue for the City of Glendale. I was at Westgate last week talking to business owners and asked them about the Coyotes and the casino. Most of the business owners agreed that taxpayers should not be footing the bill for a professional sports team. The agreement has not been signed at this time, and I believe it could have been done better from the start.
by Anthony Kern

Whether you agree with the original arena or not, the arena needs to be occupied to continue to prop up Westgate. Without an occupant at the arena, Westgate dies. AMC Theatre is probably the only business that can stand on its own and all of the other projects that were envisioned before the downturn – and there’s eight of them with financial backing and preliminary, conceptual design approval - would be stifled. These include most of the projects around the University of Phoenix Stadium. The revenue generated from these projects would make Arrowhead mall seem like a flea market in terms of sales tax incomes.
by Gary Sherwood

Do you support for constant subsidy for the Coyotes?

No, I don’t. I don’t think we should be subsidizing them now. We have an arena. We have an asset and I liken it to somebody owning rental property. That rental property should be generating income. The owner shouldn’t be paying someone to live there. The city should not be picking winners and losers between the legal businesses who are operating within Glendale. We shouldn’t subsidize any businesses. In this case, we’re subsidizing one very heavily and the citizens are paying the freight to have that happen.
by Diane Douglas

No, I do not support tax dollars being given to failed sports teams and empty stadiums. I believe the reckless spending habits of the current City Council is what got the city into the mess we’re in. Tax dollars should be used for the citizens of Glendale. Services should be restored in neighborhoods. I believe that the role of the city government is to provide these services to our citizens.
by Anthony Kern

No, I do not support a subsidy for the Coyotes. I am OK with the arena management fee. That is a caveat that potential buyers are asking for, that they control the arena management. It should more than be offset by a successful franchise and the expected development around the sports and entertainment area due to a strong Westgate.
by Gary Sherwood

[Jordan!]

Is the arena supposed to market itself? free of charge? Or do you get professionals in to do that?

No team, that's 600,000+ visitors to Glendale who otherwise would have ZERO reason to go there.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Is the arena supposed to market itself? free of charge? Or do you get professionals in to do that?

No team, that's 600,000+ visitors to Glendale who otherwise would have ZERO reason to go there.

Hire an arena manager at fair market value. Attract an AHL team. Attract a dozen additional concerts per year. The death of Glendale if the Coyotes leave is hugely exaggerated IMO. In fact, Glendale may be better off.

Coyote fans criticize Quebec "vultures" for not truly caring about the welfare of Glendale. They just want a team.

The same can be said about Coyote fans - they just want a team, and none of them seem to mind that their super low ticket prices are subsidized by Glendale (because they are over a barrel).

[Notorious Honey Badger]

I have to say Bouw that I feel bad for you as I've lost a team that was dear to me before too. But you're in such a minority. Do you not see this as being an expensive toy for you and the other few Coyotes fans or do you really think that the Coyotes and NHL are the only way to make this building work? Honest question.

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt .@brendanporter
The #AZ Supreme Court has the discretion to decide whether or not to take the #Glendale sales-tax initiative case.


Save Glendale must obtain leave to appeal. There is no automatic right of appeal in this case.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by troutman

Glendale City Council candidates live chat: Sahuaro District

This shows why council is pushing to get this thing done so soon. It seems that none of the mayoral candidates and none of the council candidates are supporting this. They might not have the votes to advance it further if it's not wrapped up by November.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by troutman

Hire an arena manager at fair market value. Attract an AHL team. Attract a dozen additional concerts per year. The death of Glendale if the Coyotes leave is hugely exaggerated IMO. In fact, Glendale may be better off.

Exactly - I'll see if I can find the link, but I remember reading that prior to the Jets returning to Winnipeg, the MTS Centre was the 19th busiest arena in North America (this included Manitoba Moose games along with concerts, conventions, trade shows, etc.)

Obviously, it's not going to be easy and Glendale has competition with Phoenix and Scottsdale, but they certainly have to start exploring other options in order to maximize usage of Jobing.com arena.

Edit: Link added and I was wrong, 19th busiest building in the world, 3rd busiest in Canada.

http://www.mtscentre.ca/press_releas...p?press_id=352

[Kipperking]

I just want Phoenix to move to Seattle already and then Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and Seattle can all have epic rivalries.

[oldschoolcalgary]

crazy that this drama is still ongoing...this thread is almost a year old!

the truth is that it is a tough sell for hockey in Glendale, despite the success on the ice.

Jamisen being short 20 million dollars is laughable - the team will lose that much next year!

Glendale is being propped up by Bettman, with willing partners in the BoGs...I have no idea why, but the Coyotes have been on life support for years and there's zero reason to believe that will ever change.

edit - how on earth is he going to meet things as mundane as payroll, if he doesn't have the 20 million required to close the deal? Owners still need liquidity, and I would be shocked to see any bank loan him the money, unless its at exorbitant rates - which amplifies the death spiral...

[Flash Walken]

You know what the truth is?

The truth is that all of this is a massive waste of time and money and the team will be in quebec by 2014.

There has, literally, been zero progress on a team in Phoenix for over two years.

Good buy, ####ty market and ####ty team.

GoodBye circus.

GoodBye "Shane Doan wants to win".

[UKflames]

1) Just out of interest what does everyone think is the latest that they could move the team (CBA discussions and possible season delays aside)?

2) In addition where could take them at such short notice?

I imagine it would be a similar situation to Winnipeg, in that wherever they moved to they would have to continue with the Coyote schedule (that could be expensive if they move to Seattle) and then the NHL would realign down the road.

[FlyingDonutz]

Originally Posted by UKflames

1) Just out of interest what does everyone think is the latest that they could move the team (CBA discussions and possible season delays aside)?

2) In addition where could take them at such short notice?

I imagine it would be a similar situation to Winnipeg, in that wherever they moved to they would have to continue with the Coyote schedule (that could be expensive if they move to Seattle) and then the NHL would realign down the road.

I'd say Seattle, or Quebec.. I'd hope for at least the 2015 season.

[Resolute 14]

It is already too late to relocate the Coyotes. We're less than six weeks away from the opening of training camps. Not nearly enough time to accomplish the dozens of things that would be needed to move a team.

Also, Winnipeg didn't have to endure an "Atlanta schedule" - the NHL drew up a schedule with Winnipeg factored in. That is not possible in this case, again due to how late it is. And there is no chance in hell there will ever be a Colorado-Quebec City-Dallas road trip.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

The Coyotes will play in Phoenix next year, I'm 95% certain. The other 5% is that they might consider folding them, which would be easier if there was a lockout and they had to redraw up the schedule anyway.