Yeah, the difference maker for the NDP wasn't the suggestion of a corporate tax hike. It was apathetic voters who put their votes on auto-pilot. They saw $100/bbl and didn't know about the APP, renewables or AHS destruction beforehand (and that was by design by the UCP because they knew it would cannibalize their voting support). Look at the recent polls with the NDP ahead of the UCP. Again.
Also, to think that that companies making record profits in Alberta get sympathy from average voters for a modest take hike back up to where it was a couple of years ago really is disrespectful to Albertans here. I don't think there's that many people who simp for their beloved corporations and take political action so they can have lower tax rates, even though said corporations will fire them with ease due to natural market whims (Suncor, TC, and a boatload of others).
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$100 says the leader's debate and the corporate tax hike are not really the prime reasons why people didn't vote NDP. It's because they're NDP and their color is orange, and that's disqualifying to many Albertans.
It sure is too bad that the bolded is impossible to change.
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They should make their new colour a slightly lighter shade of blue.
I suggested the last time this came up that they should take the currently unused name of "Progressive Conservatives"... With a slightly lighter shade of blue
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I mean, to be fair, there were lots of 1 issue voters I know who chickened out on NDP because of their corp tax hike plan. Why the NDP didn't keep that tucked away until after, I'll never know. Next election, take a page from the UCP playbook and say one thing but do another when you win. Not serious, but kinda serious.
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Definitely serious. Just say “we’re not running on that” for anything you’re obviously going to do but don’t want to have to answer for. It’s the only reason UCP won, apparently, because enough people thought that because they weren’t talking about it, they weren’t going to do it.
I mean, to be fair, there were lots of 1 issue voters I know who chickened out on NDP because of their corp tax hike plan. Why the NDP didn't keep that tucked away until after, I'll never know. Next election, take a page from the UCP playbook and say one thing but do another when you win. Not serious, but kinda serious.
I mean, to be fair, there were lots of 1 issue voters I know who chickened out on NDP because of their corp tax hike plan. Why the NDP didn't keep that tucked away until after, I'll never know. Next election, take a page from the UCP playbook and say one thing but do another when you win. Not serious, but kinda serious.
It absolutely cost them the election. You have to know that you're going to hear about how "everyone knows that the NDP will tax you death and spend it on dumb things", and you can see that line of attack coming a mile away. So....maybe making a tax hike a plank of your platform isn't a brilliant strategy?
They released that the same day as the debate (which is another completely stupid idea), and Smith just beat Notley over the head with it for an hour or two that evening. Somehow though, posters here are telling us that it's voters who are dumb and just don't see how brilliant the NDP is. It's really soemthing.
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I mean, to be fair, there were lots of 1 issue voters I know who chickened out on NDP because of their corp tax hike plan. Why the NDP didn't keep that tucked away until after, I'll never know. Next election, take a page from the UCP playbook and say one thing but do another when you win. Not serious, but kinda serious.
In your opinion, would these people have voted NDP if they did not announce a plan for corporate tax increase?
My experience is that a lot of conservative voters only pretend to evaluate both parties during the campaign and the pick any reason at all to fall to the conservative side. Light bulbs, her emails, corporate tax rate, whatever.
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It absolutely cost them the election. You have to know that you're going to hear about how "everyone knows that the NDP will tax you death and spend it on dumb things", and you can see that line of attack coming a mile away. So....maybe making a tax hike a plank of your platform isn't a brilliant strategy?
They released that the same day as the debate (which is another completely stupid idea), and Smith just beat Notley over the head with it for an hour or two that evening. Somehow though, posters here are telling us that it's voters who are dumb and just don't see how brilliant the NDP is. It's really soemthing.
Sorry, are you suggesting that it's the NDP's fault that the UCP lied? If the people that voted for Smith and the UCP couldn't see through the blatant lies, which many of us pointed out during the election, then yes, it is on the gullibility of the voter.
Many conservatives here say that we need a provincial sales tax. If Notley campaigned on that would you respect it and vote NDP or fall for the political talking point from the UCP.
The NDP didn't run a good campaign and Notley was not good in the debate. But they sure as #### would be better at governing than the group of grifting, incompetent, pseudo-fascist liars that forms our current Provincial government.
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Honestly, if they changed their colour to blue and changed the name to something like The Conservatively Conservatives for Conservating, the knuckle draggers of Alberta would not know what to do.
That party only has conservative in its name once, but this one has it three times. They must be better with money and O&G! Also we got rid of the libs and NDP! Woo BERTA!!!
Sorry, are you suggesting that it's the NDP's fault that the UCP lied? If the people that voted for Smith and the UCP couldn't see through the blatant lies, which many of us pointed out during the election, then yes, it is on the gullibility of the voter.
Many conservatives here say that we need a provincial sales tax. If Notley campaigned on that would you respect it and vote NDP or fall for the political talking point from the UCP.
The NDP didn't run a good campaign and Notley was not good in the debate. But they sure as #### would be better at governing than the group of grifting, incompetent, pseudo-fascist liars that forms our current Provincial government.
I held my nose and voted for the NDP, but it wasn't because I felt great about it. It was a vote against Smith and the UCP, but not exactly for the NDP.
Where did the UCP lie here though? Like I know a million places, but where are you talking about in relation to what I said? The NDP said they were raising the corporate taxes and that was an absolute dagger. All the ads about how we "Can't Afford the NDP" and such were immediately shown to be accurate.
It sure is too bad that the bolded is impossible to change.
They should change to the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta, since that's basically what they are now. People would also gravitate to the name too.
I held my nose and voted for the NDP, but it wasn't because I felt great about it. It was a vote against Smith and the UCP, but not exactly for the NDP.
Where did the UCP lie here though? Like I know a million places, but where are you talking about in relation to what I said? The NDP said they were raising the corporate taxes and that was an absolute dagger. All the ads about how we "Can't Afford the NDP" and such were immediately shown to be accurate.
The two big ones that come to mind are: they lied about privatizing health care and the APP. Both of which will be bad if not devasting for the economy.
How were the "Can't Afford the NDP" ads shown to be accurate? If the ad said, the NDP want to raise taxes on big corporations and the wealthy in order to improve the services to and the lives of Albertans...that would have been accurate. It turns out that we can't afford the UCP, or their apologists.
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I held my nose and voted for the NDP, but it wasn't because I felt great about it. It was a vote against Smith and the UCP, but not exactly for the NDP.
Where did the UCP lie here though? Like I know a million places, but where are you talking about in relation to what I said? The NDP said they were raising the corporate taxes and that was an absolute dagger. All the ads about how we "Can't Afford the NDP" and such were immediately shown to be accurate.
Lol.
“We”(which includes the overwhelming majority of voters who don’t actually own businesses) can’t afford the NDP because they’ll raise taxes on businesses.
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Get rid of that terrible word altogether. It's tainted and antiquated. It screams timid, old stock and adverse to change. It screams trough eating fat cats who tell you one thing and do another.
