2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Ped]

Samsonov's contract is only for this year.

[Muta]

Markstrom to LA would be very interesting. Hell, if we could swindle Edmonton into severely overpaying for him, I'd do that too.

[butterfly]

Next year we can offer Zary an 8-year extension. There's one that I'd be on board with.

[Enoch Root]

Taking back a salary for the remainder of this year is no problem. You look at a guy like Campbell - big number for 3 more years - that's a different conversation.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Taking back a salary for the remainder of this year is no problem. You look at a guy like Campbell - big number for 3 more years - that's a different conversation.

Based on Sean Monahan and Patrick Marleau trades the cost would be pretty close to a 1st per year to eat $5M x 3.

So you're looking at wanting 2 1sts or the equivalent of 2 firsts just to eat that contract.

Somebody would be crazy to take that contract from Edmonton without them overpaying...he was demoted to backup in the AHL and his save percentage is 30 pts lower than the other goalie.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Next year we can offer Zary an 8-year extension. There's one that I'd be on board with.

I'm trying to remember but I don't think the Flames have ever extended a player for 8 years coming off their ELC.

And I think Huberdeau is the only player they've ever signed for 8 years

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sec214

One of my sources is sending me information that the flames have engaged Markstrom on his willingness to waive his NMC. He is willing to waive for the right situation and they must have a perceived contention window for the term of his contract or he wants to stay in Calgary.

This screams New Jersey devils.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Let's look at who needs a goalie and has a contention window for this season and 2 more seasons.

New Jersey
Toronto
Carolina
Edmonton
Detroit (borderline)

And maybe Colorado and Los Angeles too although it's not really an issue for them this year.

Edmonton or Detroit don’t fit that bill at all…Colorado, Los Angeles, New Jersey, Toronto, Carolina. Have to think Carolina and Jersey would be the best bets.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm trying to remember but I don't think the Flames have ever extended a player for 8 years coming off their ELC.

And I think Huberdeau is the only player they've ever signed for 8 years

Technically Tkachuk too but I hear you. This is the way to get their age 27-31 seasons without paying for the decline years.

[butterfly]

Watching Montreal and New York PWHL game...can we trade Huberdeau for Poulin? Incredible skill.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vanacek is just one more season and the Flames aren't gonna need the cap next year. If it increases the return I take him as the biggest cap dump.

But NJ doesn't a lot of attractive assets.

Seamus Casey, Holtz, Mercer….. they have attractive assets.

If I’m Conroy, I use a retained Markstrom to get the better of the Devils here. Of all the teams, I believe they need the goaltending help the most to get anywhere (well maybe the Leafs but they don’t have the assets they would be willing to move). A 50% retained Markstrom has very high value.

To NJ
Markstrom (50% retained)

To CGY
Vanacek
Mercer
2025 2nd (becomes 2025 1st if they go to Cup final)

Or if the Devils don’t want to risk the pick.

Vanacek
Mercer
Casey

[dammage79]

Imagine Wilf goes full time next year instantly becoming the Calder favorite. Dreams are made this way.

[Roof-Daddy]

I dunno guys, on the Devils their forward ice time rankings are:

Hughes
Hischier
Mercer

I don't think the Devils are trading their 3rd most important forward. Not even for an extended Hanifin.

Also, maybe I'm out of the loop, but do we really think the Flames will retain on a multi year contract like Markstrom's?

If they did, it sure as heck wouldn't be for 50% IMO, nor should it be.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Based on Sean Monahan and Patrick Marleau trades the cost would be pretty close to a 1st per year to eat $5M x 3.

So you're looking at wanting 2 1sts or the equivalent of 2 firsts just to eat that contract.

Somebody would be crazy to take that contract from Edmonton without them overpaying...he was demoted to backup in the AHL and his save percentage is 30 pts lower than the other goalie.

Edmonton has nothing of value, Holloway appears to be moving to bust zone, Broberg is a bust. They have to know that this year and next is their only possible window, although I still think they have gaping holes in that team.

Let them keep their firsts for 2024 and 2025 so they have trade chips for their window, and get their 2026, 2027, 2028 1sts (unprotected) and you take Campbell back. Leaving the picks unprotected is the cost of letting them have the 2024 and 2025 first rounds picks available to bolster their roster at the deadline while Draisaitl and McDavid are both still part of the team.

Perhaps

To Edm
Markstrom ($1MM retained)
Oesterle

To CGY
Campbell
Holloway
Broberg
2026 1st (unprotected)
2027 1st (unprotected)
2028 1st (unprotected)

I would do that.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno guys, on the Devils their forward ice time rankings are:

Hughes
Hischier
Mercer

I don't think the Devils are trading their 3rd most important forward. Not even for an extended Hanifin.

Also, maybe I'm out of the loop, but do we really think the Flames will retain on a multi year contract like Markstrom's?

If they did, it sure as heck wouldn't be for 50% IMO, nor should it be.

If it gets them a very likely future first line center than 50% should be considered without a doubt. Teams buy out garbage contracts for more than that, if you can weaponize that to get a potential future 1st line center you do it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm trying to remember but I don't think the Flames have ever extended a player for 8 years coming off their ELC.

And I think Huberdeau is the only player they've ever signed for 8 years

Weegar too.

I believe Monahan's 7-year deal is the longest 2nd contract the Flames have given out.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by getbak

Weegar too.

I believe Monahan's 7-year deal is the longest 2nd contract the Flames have given out.

Iginla used to be the contract benchmark. at 7. Nobody would ever make more than him or get more term than him.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I dunno guys, on the Devils their forward ice time rankings are:

Hughes
Hischier
Mercer

I don't think the Devils are trading their 3rd most important forward. Not even for an extended Hanifin.

Also, maybe I'm out of the loop, but do we really think the Flames will retain on a multi year contract like Markstrom's?

If they did, it sure as heck wouldn't be for 50% IMO, nor should it be.

Wow, that’s interesting about Mercer. His numbers have really rebounded from where they were at the start of the year too. Oh well, I guess we’ll take Holtz.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I wouldn't expect any player on a team's active roster as part of the return on any trade, unless it is a cap-heavy player who is under-performing. Occasionally you can get a young player that was promising, but seems to be struggling (like Kakko, for instance?).



There are 'hockey trades' to be had, but I am not sure that's what Conroy is trying to accomplish. After listening to everything, the one thing I have realized is that I do believe when he says: "Rebuild", what he means is the scorched-earth variety, whereas I think I use the word rebuild, and it is more congruent to his usage of retool. I believe players like Mercer would of course fit the bill for Conroy, but I can't imagine the Devils being keen on including him (or any productive player on the active roster) as part of the return.


The point of acquiring a player like Markstrom or Hanifin (or both) from Calgary would be to fill holes, not exchange one hole for another.



In one of his interviews, Conroy specifically mentioned that he wants to get things, done, but teams want to include a heavy cap player, and that it doesn't make sense for the Flames. Gee... I wonder who it can be? My guess is New Jersey trying to throw Palat into the mix. Signed through the 26/27 season, at 6 million per season, and 32 years old (turning 33 in 2 months). This player does not fit the Flames. He would be 12th in points and 3rd in cap hit on the Flames - and again, 3 more seasons to go after this one.



New Jersey:
Markstrom


Calgary
1st
2nd
Palat


Who says no?


Conroy says no all day long. I am betting that is the 'bones' for a trade with New Jersey, or at least guessing at one with Markstrom being the target by them. To be clear, their salaries are a complete wash at 6 million per year, Palat's deal runs one year longer. Just a guess on my part anyway.

[1qqaaz]

I like Mercer more as he’s more proven and all around.

But Mercer is only 11th in points per 60 minutes. Holtz is 5th. So Holtz might sneakily be the better player to pick up.