The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because he got spooked and support the invasion of Iraq.

There was no way to avoid it, as much as the numpties in the UK don't want to admit it the UK is the US's ***ch as has to do as its told, Corbyn would have had to take the troops in.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes in much the same way the numpties on the UK left think Tony Blair, the most successful Labour Prime in history (granted not a high bar to meet) was a complete failure

It is strange how activists in both Labour and the Democrats revile the leaders of their parties who have actually managed to win national elections and govern. Success itself is regarded with hostility and resentment by those habituated to opposition and protest.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It is strange how activists in both Labour and the Democrats revile the leaders of their parties who have actually managed to win national elections and govern. Success itself is regarded with hostility and resentment by those habituated to opposition and protest.

On this week's episode of "Cliff completely misses the point..."

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It is strange how activists in both Labour and the Democrats revile the leaders of their parties who have actually managed to win national elections and govern. Success itself is regarded with hostility and resentment by those habituated to opposition and protest.

I think the resentment, at least speaking from the labour side, is due to the fact that democrats make big promises and rely on working class voters to become elected. However once elected there is very little action taken to address the concerns of the working class.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honestly, other than Biden, it's not like any of the candidates are really speaking directly to the working class. Hillary failed in that area, too. Bernie certainly has a working class constituency too although he's his own animal in that regard as in most others.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Honestly, other than Biden, it's not like any of the candidates are really speaking directly to the working class. Hillary failed in that area, too. Bernie certainly has a working class constituency too although he's his own animal in that regard as in most others.

What gives you the sense that Biden is speaking to/for the working class? Genuinely curious to know, to me he comes off as a “business as usual” democrat which IMO isn’t helpful to working class and lower income Americans.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Another one is dropping out.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1234547676034801666

[GirlySports]

Klobuchar is dropping out, will fly to Dallas to endorse Biden.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Establishment coalescing around Biden... wonder if Warren figures she's helping more one way or the other. Ir maybe she figures she'll pick up a bunch of Klob voters as a result of being the only woman left.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What gives you the sense that Biden is speaking to/for the working class? Genuinely curious to know, to me he comes off as a “business as usual” democrat which IMO isn’t helpful to working class and lower income Americans.

I might have wished for more from the Obama years although without control of either the House or Senate I'm not sure how they could have done more but the passing of Obamacare was probably the most significant gain the working poor in the US have had since LBJ and the Great Society, added to that the management of the 2008 financial crisis, what else do you want?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Establishment coalescing around Biden... wonder if Warren figures she's helping more one way or the other. Ir maybe she figures she'll pick up a bunch of Klob voters as a result of being the only woman left.

Sure. It could put Warren over 15% to qualify for delegates. Especially in California.

All shes in it for now is to get enough delegates to be the balance of power in a brokered convention.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Establishment coalescing around Biden... wonder if Warren figures she's helping more one way or the other. Ir maybe she figures she'll pick up a bunch of Klob voters as a result of being the only woman left.

I don't know which side Warren is on between Biden and Sanders. Her politics align more closely to Bernie and I'm sure she is taking more votes from him, but she really doesn't seem to like or support him.

[burn_this_city]

Warren is playing spoiler against Bernie now. She's sticking around to siphon enough support off Bernie to make it a brokered convention.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

An opinion shared by a large majority of Democrats, and by most Americans as a whole.

However, that isn't the case in the progressive echo-chamber, where Obama is reviled as a neoliberal, centrist, corporatist shill who was a massive failure as president. And these folks vastly overestimate how many Democrats and Americans share their opinion.

Where's your basis for this opinion?

It's a common thought that the younger a person is, the more liberal they are.

Millennials have the highest % favourability of Obama, in the second article that you tagged.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I might have wished for more from the Obama years although without control of either the House or Senate I'm not sure how they could have done more but the passing of Obamacare was probably the most significant gain the working poor in the US have had since LBJ and the Great Society, added to that the management of the 2008 financial crisis, what else do you want?

I don’t disagree that Obamacare was a significant gain for low income Americans, at the same time it didn’t do much to address the actual problems that are making healthcare increasingly less affordable in the US.

As for what else I would want, off the top of my head, labour law reform, increasing the federal minimum wage, better regulation of the pharmaceutical, healthcare and insurance industries would be at the top of my list. Many of the problems facing working class people and low income earners in the US are systemic so I don’t think throwing a carrot to a small number of those affected is going to make a very big improvement if everything else keeps getting worse.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I don’t disagree that Obamacare was a significant gain for low income Americans, at the same time it didn’t do much to address the actual problems that are making healthcare increasingly less affordable in the US.

As for what else I would want, off the top of my head, labour law reform, increasing the federal minimum wage, better regulation of the pharmaceutical, healthcare and insurance industries would be at the top of my list. Many of the problems facing working class people and low income earners in the US are systemic so I don’t think throwing a carrot to a small number of those affected is going to make a very big improvement if everything else keeps getting worse.

All of those would have required a democratic house and senate or a magic wand, none of which they had

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All of those would have required a democratic house and senate or a magic wand, none of which they had

The democrats had a majority in both the house and the senate in 2008 did they not?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Mayor Pete will endorse Biden as well, his campaign manager says.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The democrats had a majority in both the house and the senate in 2008 did they not?

Which tells you how difficult getting a hardline progressive agenda passed will be. Bernie isn’t getting to 60 in the Senate and most of his big ideas are impossible to do through reconciliation. Also worth remembering things are roughly 10,000 times more polarized now, making it even more difficult.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Which tells you how difficult getting a hardline progressive agenda passed will be. Bernie isn’t getting to 60 in the Senate and most of his big ideas are impossible to do through reconciliation. Also worth remembering things are roughly 10,000 times more polarized now, making it even more difficult.

The republicans haven’t seemed to struggle with moving their agenda forward.