The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Because he was just fired?

A ton of guys had career years under Keenan. Iginla, Cammalleri, Langkow, Lombardi, Phaneuf...

I might be on board with Keenan.

He was fired in a second-rate league for being a second-rate coach.

Why do we want him again?

[Flash Walken]

Count me among the group that doesn't think the team is that good.

If you want to compare to Keenan, his team had 7 forwards score 40+ points in a season. The flames last year had 5.

The team badly needed scoring last season and acquired 2 defenders and Tanner Glass. Not even close to good enough.

This team is basically missing an entire line worth of offense and have maybe the most overrated individual and group of defenders in the entire league.

Brodie was flat out terrible last night but it is so constant it is not even worth talking about. This is more than 100 games of this from him. Time for a trade to address the huge imbalance of defender cap ratio.

Poor jagr needs someone to play with.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's a group effortand they all need to go.

The absolute worst thing this franchise could do is fire Gulutzan but keep the rest of the staff and promote Cameron to HC. Same ####, different smug face.

This is exactly what I'm worried about, promoting Cameron.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Count me among the group that doesn't think the team is that good.

If you want to compare to Keenan, his team had 7 forwards score 40+ points in a season. The flames last year had 5.

The team badly needed scoring last season and acquired 2 defenders and Tanner Glass. Not even close to good enough.

This team is basically missing an entire line worth of offense and have maybe the most overrated individual and group of defenders in the entire league.

Brodie was flat out terrible last night but it is so constant it is not even worth talking about. This is more than 100 games of this from him. Time for a trade to address the huge imbalance of defender cap ratio.

Poor jagr needs someone to play with.

The same 100 games that GG played him on the side he doesn't excel on?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd be very intrigued by a Mike Keenan return. That'd be
very interesting.

No. It. Would. Not. Be.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd be very intrigued by a Mike Keenan return. That'd be
very interesting.

I think the game has passed him by and we would be the laughing stock of the league. Gotta be a better option

[Dr. Doom]

GG is terrible, at the very least horribly inconsistent with his players. If we don't realize it soon season is lost, bank it!

Can't beat the Leafs? Can't beat the Oilers?

Time to think about system/player usage.

On paper they should be rocking.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

GG is terrible, at the very least horribly inconsistent with his players. If we don't realize it soon season is lost, bank it!

Can't beat the Leafs? Can't beat the Oilers?

Time to think about system/player usage.

On paper they should be rocking.

To be honest the leafs are a decent team lead by a great coach.

[GeoRock]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

To be honest the leafs are a decent team lead by a great coach.

Yup, and the Flames are a decent team lead by a mediocre coach.

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[CETokyo]

How responsible are the assistant coaches for the troubles?
Paul Jerrard looks like he is responsible for two key problem areas Defence and Penalty Kill.
Jerrard has a long history and association with Gulutzan.
This partnership does not appear to have a stellar record and does not appear to have been very successful.
Is this coaching tandem a problem?
Would replacing Jerrard possibly lead to an improvement in the teams performance?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jerrard
"He rejoined the Dallas Stars organization in 2009 for the newly created Texas Stars, where he coached under Glen Gulutzan. When Gulutzan was promoted to become the coach of the Dallas Stars, he brought Jerrard with him. On May 14, 2013, Gulutzan and Jerrard were fired.[2]
On August 12, 2013, Jerrard was hired by the Vancouver Canucks to be assistant coach of their AHL affiliate, the Utica Comets.
On July 6, 2016, Jerrard was hired by the Calgary Flames as an assistant coach, who will focus on developing Calgary's defence corps and improving their penalty kill.[3]"

[Ashasx]

Yeah Jerrard is just bad. PK is absolutely abysmal.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This team is basically missing an entire line worth of offense and have maybe the most overrated individual and group of defenders in the entire league.

Or alternatively our defensive system is a confusing mess where defensemen are poorly supported, poorly instructed and too often left with poor options or little room for mistake, which leads to lots of mistakes that eat away their confidence, which in turns leads to bad play overall.

I mean, when suddenly all of our defenseman seem to be terribly mistake prone I really think there's something else going on than just that the defensemen suck.

[Harry Lime]

Is there a precedent of a team of associate and assistant coaches being fired mid season, and the head coach remaining?

[Inferno]

After a six hour drive home I was hoping Santa Treliving would give me an early Christmas present. No dice.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Itse

Or alternatively our defensive system is a confusing mess where defensemen are poorly supported, poorly instructed and too often left with poor options or little room for mistake, which leads to lots of mistakes that eat away their confidence, which in turns leads to bad play overall.

I mean, when suddenly all of our defenseman seem to be terribly mistake prone I really think there's something else going on than just that the defensemen suck.

Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, hamonic, stone have all been considered good dmen. It's very strange that this year they all seem to be some what lost in their defensive coverage and less impactful offensively.

Living in Toronto and watching the leafs has furthered my opinion that good defensive teams have less to do with personnel and more to do with systems, strategy and coaching.

All that money and assets used to assemble the defence is a waste given the coaching staff's inability to work a gameplay and system to make them effective.

At some point the gm has to figure this out. I'm going to be pissed if I hear the flames are trading assets for more d.

[midniteowl]

Is Gelinas still with the team? Why not boot Cameron and bring Gelinas down for a change?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Giordano, Hamilton, Brodie, hamonic, stone have all been considered good dmen. It's very strange that this year they all seem to be some what lost in their defensive coverage and less impactful offensively.

Living in Toronto and watching the leafs has furthered my opinion that good defensive teams have less to do with personnel and more to do with systems, strategy and coaching.

All that money and assets used to assemble the defence is a waste given the coaching staff's inability to work a gameplay and system to make them effective.

At some point the gm has to figure this out. I'm going to be pissed if I hear the flames are trading assets for more d.

Wait till they traded Brodie, Hamonic, and Hamilton for scraps and then a week or 2 later, decided to fire the coaching staff.

I'm having this Savard nightmare recurring....

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Itse

Or alternatively our defensive system is a confusing mess where defensemen are poorly supported, poorly instructed and too often left with poor options or little room for mistake, which leads to lots of mistakes that eat away their confidence, which in turns leads to bad play overall.

I mean, when suddenly all of our defenseman seem to be terribly mistake prone I really think there's something else going on than just that the defensemen suck.

The thing is all our defenseman aren't playing poorly. Gio/Hamilton has been one of the best pairs in the league this year and are both at the top of the league in 5 on 5 numbers. Brodie is leading the team in minus numbers this year and 8 of his 14 points are on the PP compared to 3 each for Gio and Dougie. If Brodie didn't have 1st unit PP numbers to pad his stats this year his numbers would be really ugly. Hamonic hasnt helped either. The second pairing is more or less losing games by themselves while the rest of the team is holding their own.

Whether you buy into he argument that Brodies poor play has been a result of GGs using him incorrectly is another argument and I can't say I disagree with that, but our defense isn't struggling we just have a second pair that is dragging the whole team down.

[Racki]

You would have to think that the draft picks Treliving gave up for Hamonic have added a sense of urgency to this season.

I am quite certain that Treliving's worst nightmare would be to watch the New York Islanders walk up and draft 8th overall with the Calgary Flames pick.

You would have to think that this scenario would have at least some affect on what Treliving decides to do with Gulutzan if he can't get this team going.

[Moneyhands23]

No matter how bad it gets, No Jerseys on the ice boys!