06-13-2023, 06:31 AM
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#1622
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
I get why they do it. This is cheaper to manufacture, and making a cheap EV is tough. But ya, it sucks.
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The Tesla Model 3 was supposed to be a $35k price point car which explains it's spartan interior. In typical Tesla fashion of overpromising and under-delivering that price point was never really realized and that spartan interior was retained to increase profits.
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06-13-2023, 07:48 AM
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#1623
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The Tesla Model 3 was supposed to be a $35k price point car which explains it's spartan interior. In typical Tesla fashion of overpromising and under-delivering that price point was never really realized and that spartan interior was retained to increase profits.
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There are model 3's available from Tesla stores near me for $37,830 right now, which would be 30,330 after tax credit. That seems close enough to count.
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06-13-2023, 10:15 AM
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#1624
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Franchise Player
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And there are some state credits too. In California, you can get a Model 3 for $29K. And families earning less than $90K or so could get one for about $23K after rebates. Throw in the fuel savings (even at California's insane electricity costs it's about 50% savings vs gas) and it's a pretty attractive option for people who drive a fair bit.
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06-13-2023, 10:24 AM
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#1625
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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I've rented a few Tesla's now, and have to say I quite like the clean, minimalist interiors.
I'll take that over something like this any day
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06-13-2023, 12:45 PM
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#1626
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by opendoor
And there are some state credits too. In California, you can get a Model 3 for $29K. And families earning less than $90K or so could get one for about $23K after rebates. Throw in the fuel savings (even at California's insane electricity costs it's about 50% savings vs gas) and it's a pretty attractive option for people who drive a fair bit.
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When you consider the average new vehicle sales price is close to $50,000 I'm not sure what people are expecting for "affordable". If looking at 5 year cost of ownership a $35,000 ev is almost unbeatable even without incentives.
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06-19-2023, 05:06 PM
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#1627
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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If Western countries don't speed up they may be in for a bumpy ride.
Q2 in China ramping up even faster for vehicles
https://twitter.com/user/status/1670889122142076929
Worth noting that this is all vehicles, not just electric cars, so all of that growth is electric cars. They may be VW and a Tesla cars (among other brands), but a lot of the profit and all of the labour is Chinese. And China is notorious for stealing IP and selling the same stuff.
Last edited by Street Pharmacist; 06-19-2023 at 07:25 PM.
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06-20-2023, 07:25 AM
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#1628
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nfotiu
I've rented a few Tesla's now, and have to say I quite like the clean, minimalist interiors.
I'll take that over something like this any day
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They all need to bring back buttons and physical interactions. Fiddling around with a touchscreen is not safe while driving.
(This is not exclusively an electric vehicle issue, but the single giant screen doesn't help)
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06-20-2023, 08:48 AM
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#1629
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I actually don't have a lot of complaints about the minimalist Tesla interior but if you have to wear gloves in the winter is a real pain in the ass. Even with touchscreen gloves it can be a pain in the ass selecting music or changing the temperature. You are forced to take your eyes off the road to ensure you are pressing the right area of the screen.
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07-07-2023, 01:04 PM
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#1630
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Elon Musk pledges Tesla to China’s 'core socialist values' to avert EV price war
https://interestingengineering.com/t...cialist-values
China’s government has solicited a truce among its top EV manufacturers, with Elon Musk’s Tesla being the only foreign firm to sign the joint letter committing to the country’s “core socialist values”.
the “socialist” CEO has committed to reducing abnormal pricing and ending the “reckless” EV price war to maintain its presence in the cut-throat EV market in China.
The Twitter CEO had to refrain from tweeting during his recent visit to China as the text-based application is banned in the country.
With the Chinese market contributing enormously to Tesla's profitability, representing one-third of its annual sales, it is perhaps not surprising that Musk has made a commitment to ensuring fair competition within the communist country, given that this is what the Chinese government wants the company to do.
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07-08-2023, 07:23 AM
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#1631
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Franchise Player
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Tesla agrees to price fixing in China. Cool cool.
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07-10-2023, 09:49 AM
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#1632
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
Tesla agrees to price fixing in China. Cool cool.
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The main problem I read was that were rampant price wars and consumers were revolting because you could buy an EV one day and see the price dropped 15% the next week.
Of course the other subtext is that government is trying to get Tesla not to undercut their domestic EV producers to protect their marketshare.
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07-10-2023, 12:24 PM
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#1633
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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"Toyota claims it has made a technological breakthrough that will eventually lead to a solid-state battery capable of delivering up to 745 miles (1,199 kilometers) of range, all while completely recharging in 10 minutes, according to The Guardian, quoting Keiji Kaita, president of the company’s research and development center for carbon neutrality."
Bold claim...
https://insideevs.com/news/675517/to...%20development
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07-10-2023, 12:29 PM
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#1634
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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^ah, this was noted in the Energy Transition thread I see now
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07-11-2023, 09:17 AM
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#1635
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cral12
"Toyota claims it has made a technological breakthrough that will eventually lead to a solid-state battery capable of delivering up to 745 miles (1,199 kilometers) of range, all while completely recharging in 10 minutes, according to The Guardian, quoting Keiji Kaita, president of the company’s research and development center for carbon neutrality."
Bold claim...
https://insideevs.com/news/675517/to...%20development
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In June they said 900+ miles!
https://electrek.co/2023/06/13/toyot...-breakthrough/
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07-11-2023, 09:29 AM
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#1637
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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What's the difference between EVs and gas cars in that case? If traffic is backed up for hours and you can't charge you also can't fill your car. Keep your car relatively charged or full.
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07-11-2023, 09:31 AM
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#1638
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Since1984
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I'd rather have an ev than a gas vehicle after a hurricane.
1) They use almost no power when "idling" if stuck on a freeway
2) As you plug in your EV every night when you get home they're far more likely to be "full" when a disaster hits than a gas vehicle
3) If I know a hurricane is coming I can plug in at home vs lining up for hours at the gas stations to fill up
4) When the electrical grid goes down gas pumps don't work either
5) some EVs can power your home as back up
This is not a serious concern. EVs are better suited for this than gas vehicles
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07-11-2023, 09:33 AM
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#1639
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My face is a bum!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Since1984
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What a dumb argument.
I can generate my own electricity if I decide to be over-prepared. I can't make my own gas at home.
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07-11-2023, 09:41 AM
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#1640
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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They have things that convert gas into electricity too if you really want.
I wonder how much gas it would take to fully charge an EV with a little Honda generator?
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