2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Icon

That's nuts alright. Would love it, but Flames win that one for a rental year of Lindholm

He would obviously need to sign long term for anything like that.

[Hackey]

Is there a limit on retaining salary? Could you retain salary on two players you trade in one season or are you limited to retain on a single contract per year? And the max you can retain on any one player is 50%?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is there a limit on retaining salary? Could you retain salary on two players you trade in one season or are you limited to retain on a single contract per year? And the max you can retain on any one player is 50%?

I believe max is is 3 players. You can do that on one single transaction if you really wanted to but that would limit your count of players to retain money if they are players with multiple years. As for retention, yes, it’s only 50% max unless the contract is less than double the minimum salary. Then it can only get retained to the minimum.

The new thing to do nowadays to get full on retention to grab a top end player on very low salary is getting a third party team to also retain 50% after the original team retains 50%. Generally a 3rd/4th/5th round pick would be give as compensation.

[Spurs]

Vladar is 25 years old with zero good NHL seasons. I know that goalies can take longer to develop but there is nothing about him, his stats, his history or in watching him that indicates he can be a starter.

Hopefully a team thinks differently and we can get something from him but to me he looks like nothing more than an average back-up keeper.

[Royle9]

Any Lindholm trade for futures being discussed is coming with an extension already agreed upon here guys.

This isn’t the deadline, if Lindholm to Columbus has any steam it’s because he’s willing to sign there to play with Johnny again, I don’t think we need to debate the “rental” price to Columbus any more lol.

[Ped]

I'm assuming it's been mentioned and I missed it, but with Babcock in Columbus, I'd have a hard time seeing Lindholm agree to a long-term extension there before he plays for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I believe max is is 3 players. You can do that on one single transaction if you really wanted to but that would limit your count of players to retain money if they are players with multiple years. As for retention, yes, it’s only 50% max unless the contract is less than double the minimum salary. Then it can only get retained to the minimum.

The new thing to do nowadays to get full on retention to grab a top end player on very low salary is getting a third party team to also retain 50% after the original team retains 50%. Generally a 3rd/4th/5th round pick would be give as compensation.

That compensation is generally only given for lesser amounts at the trade deadline.

If it’s a full season, compensation will be greater.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That compensation is generally only given for lesser amounts at the trade deadline.

If it’s a full season, compensation will be greater.

Contract structure plays a role too. When a large bonus and most of the salary is paid and it's something like only 125 grand to pay the price is less than if you have to cover 550k of salary.

Few teams are setting a budget where they pay a guy 2.4 million for a full season not to play for them when it's a good productive player.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That compensation is generally only given for lesser amounts at the trade deadline.

If it’s a full season, compensation will be greater.

There are rarely any trades involving retention in the offseason. If it is, it’s very small retention. See the Kessel trade. I was merely referring to the TDL

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Vladar is 25 years old with zero good NHL seasons. I know that goalies can take longer to develop but there is nothing about him, his stats, his history or in watching him that indicates he can be a starter.

Hopefully a team thinks differently and we can get something from him but to me he looks like nothing more than an average back-up keeper.

I liked Vladar than Markstrom. So I would trade Markstrom. I didn't like how Markstrom allowed 1st shorts go in. And the team was playing behind most of time.

[browna]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I liked Vladar than Markstrom. So I would trade Markstrom. I didn't like how Markstrom allowed 1st shorts go in. And the team was playing behind most of time.

Vladar had every chance to take over the starters spot in the middle of the season and he failed miserably.

And though shots went through Markstrom, that's more of a confidence and mental block trying too hard to save a luck and not just let it hit you...Vladar's problem is going down too low and too early and getting beaten high as a 6'4+ goalie.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by browna

Vladar had every chance to take over the starters spot in the middle of the season and he failed miserably.

And though shots went through Markstrom, that's more of a confidence and mental block trying too hard to save a luck and not just let it hit you...Vladar's problem is going down too low and too early and getting beaten high as a 6'4+ goalie.

Vladar finished 14-6-5. Markstrom finished only 23-21-12. Pretty huge difference there, really.

Vladar also had the better save percentage and GAA. The only think Markstrom beat Vladar in was goals saved above expected per 60 minutes (which albeit is probably the most important goalie stat).

Still, an argument could be made that Vladar really should have taken over the starter's spot based on the performance of both goalies.

[Enoch Root]

This narrative that Vladar failed miserably is ridiculous. He was the better goalie for much of the year, and played really well when Markstrom was unplayable and he got more starts. Then he cooled off. Had Sutter played him more when he was on a roll, things may have played out quite differently.

Regardless, he had a pretty solid season, and showed that he is an NHL goaltender.

This narrative that all Flames players are garbage is getting really tiring.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by browna

Vladar had every chance to take over the starters spot in the middle of the season and he failed miserably.

And though shots went through Markstrom, that's more of a confidence and mental block trying too hard to save a luck and not just let it hit you...Vladar's problem is going down too low and too early and getting beaten high as a 6'4+ goalie.

Vladar got 1 chance had a bad game and then the net went right back to Markstrom. It's possible that he caved under the pressure, but he should have at least got a second game.

He also should have been given the chance when he was playing well and winning games, when his confidence was high.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by browna

Vladar had every chance to take over the starters spot in the middle of the season and he failed miserably.

Vladar "failed miserably" despite having just two regulation losses in his last 18 starts to the season?

At the end of the day the goaltenders job is to give his team a chance every night. Vladar did just that, while Markstrom didn't. Their respective records speak to that. Vladar was making stops when his team needed him to at critical junctures of the game and just looking purely at one stat (SV%) doesn't highlight that. The splits speak for themselves.

The handling of the goaltending this past season was nothing short of embarrassing by Sutter and just further highlighted his stubbornness as a coach.

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder if the Kings entertain a trade for Turcotte. He's been pushed down the depth chart a bit due to his injury last year and the play of Byfield and Kaliev. During trade deadline it was rumored a couple teams checked in on his availability from the Kings.

If we trade Lindholm/Backlund or both, we may need to restock our C with a good prospect and Turcotte might fit that bill. Perhaps a deal to send Toffoli back to LA? I know Kings probably need a Dman more than a winger plus not too often do teams trade within their division so it's likely a pipe dream on my part.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This narrative that Vladar failed miserably is ridiculous. He was the better goalie for much of the year, and played really well when Markstrom was unplayable and he got more starts. Then he cooled off. Had Sutter played him more when he was on a roll, things may have played out quite differently.

Regardless, he had a pretty solid season, and showed that he is an NHL goaltender.

This narrative that all Flames players are garbage is getting really tiring.

The problem isn't that the Flames supporting cast aren't good.

It is that three key players massively underperformed. Kadri, Huberdeau and Marklstrom. 23.5 Million worth of the cap next season, or 27% of the space.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't know how Kadri massively underperformed. If you expected a 90 point player that's on you for having unrealistic expectations. What we missed from Kadri wasn't points it was that gritty play and a guy that plays with a chips on his shoulder.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't know how Kadri massively underperformed. If you expected a 90 point player that's on you for having unrealistic expectations. What we missed from Kadri wasn't points it was that gritty play and a guy that plays with a chips on his shoulder.

For what he's being paid, he should provide more offense (but he never really has before).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

For what he's being paid, he should provide more offense (but he never really has before).

I just think that $7 million doesn't buy what it used to.

Kadri was 88th in league scoring among forwards and is the 61st highest paid forward. Crazy that $7 million puts a player that low these days. It's also likely that on a different team, he would have had more points, not unlike Huberdeau.

The gap is less meaningful though when you consider dozens of players ahead of him in scoring have not reached UFA status yet and Kadri is going to get pushed down the list of highest paid players this year.