Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

It's interesting how the only prisoners social conservatives care so deeply about are in this situation. Otherwise it's "lock up the criminals and throw away the key, I don't care how bad it is in there. They should have thought of that before committing a crime." Suddenly now it's "won't someone think of the safety of poor prisoners?"

Pathetic transparent stuff. Be better.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's interesting how the only prisoners social conservatives care so deeply about are in this situation. Otherwise it's "lock up the criminals and throw away the key, I don't care how bad it is in there. They should have thought of that before committing a crime." Suddenly now it's "won't someone think of the safety of poor prisoners?"

Pathetic transparent stuff. Be better.

I don’t know why you would want to endanger women in prisons. 80 percent of the country care about the safety of women in prisons and 20 percent agree with Trudeau - women should be forced to coexist with dangerous, violent sex offenders.

Be better.

[Fuzz]

When did you start caring about the general safety of prisoners? Be honest.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When did you start caring about the general safety of prisoners? Be honest.

Why do you think people shouldn’t care? Are they human trash? The system is meant to reform people who make mistakes. You can argue how effective the system is, and there are valid arguments, but to keep violent sex offenders away from women in prison should be automatic.

When did you stop caring about the safety of the prisoners? Be honest.

[Fuzz]

Haha, ok you keep being you Doc.

[Geraldsh]

Look at it the other way around. Violent sex offenders should be put in women’s prisons where true justice will be meted out.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by DOctorfever

80 percent of the country care about the safety of women in prisons and 20 percent agree with Trudeau - women should be forced to coexist with dangerous, violent sex offenders.

When did you stop caring about the safety of the prisoners? Be honest.

What would you suggest be done to care about the safety of the male prisoners forced to exist with dangerous, violent sex offenders, since prisoner safety is such a high priority?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

What would you suggest be done to care about the safety of the male prisoners forced to exist with dangerous, violent sex offenders, since prisoner safety is such a high priority?

Really?

You think it’s better to put some dangerous sex offending males in the female prison?

[Locke]

Maybe they need their own prisons.

How about this? If someone is a Trans prisoner we just sub-lease them out to Amazon to work at filling orders until they drop from exhaustion.

On the one hand they'll be too busy to hurt anyone and on the other its like a fate worse than death..."I'm not Trans...I swear! Send me to regular jail!"

And we all still get 2-day shipping! Wins all around!

Theres always a solution if you're creative enough and dont care about a particular group of people.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Really?

You think it’s better to put some dangerous sex offending males in the female prison?

No. Never suggested it was.

You asked:

When did you stop caring about the safety of the prisoners? Be honest.

If you care about prisoner safety so much, how would you address the safety of male prisoners being forced to coexist with violent, dangerous sex offenders?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

No. Never suggested it was.

You asked:



If you care about prisoner safety so much, how would you address the safety of male prisoners being forced to coexist with violent, dangerous sex offenders?

You think it is better to have violent males in with females?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

Maybe they need their own prisons.

How about this? If someone is a Trans prisoner we just sub-lease them out to Amazon to work at filling orders until they drop from exhaustion.

On the one hand they'll be too busy to hurt anyone and on the other its like a fate worse than death..."I'm not Trans...I swear! Send me to regular jail!"

And we all still get 2-day shipping! Wins all around!

Theres always a solution if you're creative enough and dont care about a particular group of people.

I still think you should run for PM

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

No. Never suggested it was.

You asked:



If you care about prisoner safety so much, how would you address the safety of male prisoners being forced to coexist with violent, dangerous sex offenders?

I'm no expert on the prison system but is the prisoner population at risk from situations that you are claiming? Doesn't the setup of our system provide enough safeguards already in that we have different facilities such as remand, medium security, high security, etc? I'm assuming that even within facilities they manage to have some level of segregation between non-violent and violent offenders. Amongst the violent population, don't they typically have little to no interaction with other inmates?

Are more protections necessary and required?

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You think it is better to have violent males in with females?

No. Never suggested it was.
You asked:

When did you stop caring about the safety of the prisoners? Be honest.

If you care about prisoner safety so much, how would you address the safety of male prisoners being forced to coexist with violent, dangerous sex offenders?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

No. Never suggested it was.
You asked:
If you care about prisoner safety so much, how would you address the safety of male prisoners being forced to coexist with violent, dangerous sex offenders?

I will leave that up to the people who operate the facilities. It’s not my job.

Do you think violent males sex offenders should be housed with females?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I still think you should run for PM

It wouldnt be boring but Canada's Human Rights record might take a bit of a dent.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm no expert on the prison system but is the prisoner population at risk from situations that you are claiming? Doesn't the setup of our system provide enough safeguards already in that we have different facilities such as remand, medium security, high security, etc? I'm assuming that even within facilities they manage to have some level of segregation between non-violent and violent offenders. Amongst the violent population, don't they typically have little to no interaction with other inmates?

Are more protections necessary and required?

Well the women's prisons apparently can't keep violent offenders segregated so it seems like there is a huge lack of investment into the safety of female prisoners at these multi-level security facilities.



They were able to keep Karla Holmolka, a notorious violent sex offender, segregated before her release, but a trans person? Not a chance the security could keep that up.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I will leave that up to the people who operate the facilities. It’s not my job.

So if the people who operate the facilities say they can maintain the safety of the other women in the prison, and that transferring the offender to a male prison would negatively impact their safety, you would happily agree with their assessment and take the politics out of it?

Do you think violent males sex offenders should be housed with females?

I will leave that up to the people who operate the facilities. It's not my job.

[curves2000]

I suspect in this case this pathetic sadistic loser was just toying with the justice system on this trans issue. The level of gaslighting, fear and mocking of the victims and the families in this terrible crime was next level. People may argue a counterpoint but that is just feeding into what this deranged person wants them to do.

Good riddance to this scum

[bizaro86]

I think anyone who was living as a trans person prior to committing their crimes, or has physically transitioned should be able to switch prisons.

In the case at hand, my understanding is that there was none of that present. The offender is still biologically a male and hadn't indicated plans to transition prior to committing heinous violent crimes (that the judge described as feminicide).

This doesn't seem like the poster child for trans-rights to me. This seems like a narcissistic psychopath trying to take advantage of hard fought rights that actual trans people have gotten, diluting support for them in the process.