Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Azure

Him retiring and a new perspective that focuses on the middle class would move the NDP into the official opposition.

But we all know that isn't happening.

Oh they can gain seats. But against a majority that doesn't actually advance their agenda.

[Slava]

If Trudeau resigns though, are they still bringing down the government and pushing for an election? I don’t think so. I think a Trudeau resignation would push the election into October.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Slava

If Trudeau resigns though, are they still bringing down the government and pushing for an election? I don’t think so. I think a Trudeau resignation would push the election into October.

Depends on if Singh is a liar or not.

His words once again:

The Liberals don’t deserve another chance. That’s why the NDP will vote to bring this government down, and give Canadians a chance to vote for a government who will work for them. No matter who is leading the Liberal Party, this government’s time is up. We will put forward a clear motion of non-confidence in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SebC

Oh they can gain seats. But against a majority that doesn't actually advance their agenda.

The majority is happening regardless.

Singh staying = NDP craters their agenda, they are done for a long time as an type of relevant party in the HoC. The Bloc will be the official opposition, and we all know the Liberals will turf Trudeau, and a new perspective and fresh start means they are likely going to gain back a lot of the seats they will lose in the next election.

But hey, gotta get the pension.

[transplant99]

The pension thing isnt really a factor here though.

Unless the GG goes to Trudeau with the suggestion of coming back to sit in the house and he then agrees, there wont be an election until after his anniversary date.

Its more likely JT would prorogue things to buy some time though which would again extend the election date far enough out, that he collects it regardless.

I think his best bet is to take down the Libs and then claim to be the guy looking out for Canada and using that move as an example. He may even get to form opposition though at this point it would be tight between the dippers and the bloc.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Depends on if Singh is a liar or not.

His words once again:

Yeah but that one is pretty easy to walk back.

Something a long the lines of it was clear that Trudeau wasn’t going to resign without a clear ultimatum. Now that he has resigned we want to give this new government a chance to follow through on the promises they made to us which will protect us from a future conservative gov blah blah.

I don’t think it hurts him among people who are currently considering voting for him.

He does it to try to expand pharmacare into the next budget.

I think Trudeau doesn’t resign though and the government falls

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yeah but that one is pretty easy to walk back.

Something a long the lines of it was clear that Trudeau wasn’t going to resign without a clear ultimatum. Now that he has resigned we want to give this new government a chance to follow through on the promises they made to us which will protect us from a future conservative gov blah blah.

I don’t think it hurts him among people who are currently considering voting for him.

He does it to try to expand pharmacare into the next budget.

I think Trudeau doesn’t resign though and the government falls

Then he would have just said..."If Trudeau doesn't resign"....instead he made it clear it "doesn't matter who is leading the Liberal party".

I understand that he could backtrack this, but it would be his own demise if he does so.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then he would have just said..."If Trudeau doesn't resign"....instead he made it clear it "doesn't matter who is leading the Liberal party".

I understand that he could backtrack this, but it would be his own demise if he does so.

What voter who is considering the NDP going to change their vote in the scenario you are describing. Essentially Singh would get some more policy extractions to keep the gov from falling.

Writing the letter in the way he did makes him look stronger in the more likely Trudeau doesn’t resign scenario. I don’t think we ever get to find out though as I don’t see Trudeau resigning.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Name me ONE who penned an open letter to Canadians promising anything definitive like he did and then said....nope!

Im pretty aware that politicians lie about policy changes and lots of other things. I mean we are in year 9 of Trudeau doing just that.

But....this is not that. This is a guy who has to follow through or he will obliterate his own career and take his party with him.

I gave you two examples. If you want me to find someone who wrote exact words in a letter to be able to claim it's the same thing, well, OK you win I guess.


But McKay lying to win the leadership race, and then immediately flipping on that and turning the party over to the worst Conservative movement in Canadian history(until the UCP came along) was much more serious than anything in that letter.


And then, well, my second example should need no justification, unless you are so far from reality you think she hasn't lied about hundreds of things by this point. And still has support. So go ahead and be upset at Singh's letter, I guess.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I gave you two examples. If you want me to find someone who wrote exact words in a letter to be able to claim it's the same thing, well, OK you win I guess.


But McKay lying to win the leadership race, and then immediately flipping on that and turning the party over to the worst Conservative movement in Canadian history(until the UCP came along) was much more serious than anything in that letter.


And then, well, my second example should need no justification, unless you are so far from reality you think she hasn't lied about hundreds of things by this point. And still has support. So go ahead and be upset at Singh's letter, I guess.

Im not upset at the letter in fact Im quite pleased by it...and thanks for verifying it has never happened before.

All he had to do was name "Trudeau leading" instead of "it doesnt matter who is the leader", then yeah. He would have an out.

He didn't, and he doesn't.

And you accuse me of being "far from reality"? LOL.



You are nothing but a caricature and a shill at this point. The same thing you accuse others of being, you are worse.

[Fuzz]

Who am I shilling for?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GGG

What voter who is considering the NDP going to change their vote in the scenario you are describing. Essentially Singh would get some more policy extractions to keep the gov from falling.

Writing the letter in the way he did makes him look stronger in the more likely Trudeau doesn’t resign scenario. I don’t think we ever get to find out though as I don’t see Trudeau resigning.

They won't care about the back track but they'll be the target voters for the new Liberals to win over.
It makes absolutely no polotical sense for Singh to watch more votes lost to a better Liberal leadership.
He's already making clear campaign statements to be a better alternative to the Liberals.

[PepsiFree]

So now the people who having been saying Singh is cooked for months have switched to “oh boy! if he back tracks on this LETTER he’s a GONER!”

Come on guys. Who are you fooling with this stuff?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Slava

If Trudeau resigns though, are they still bringing down the government and pushing for an election? I don’t think so. I think a Trudeau resignation would push the election into October.

I doubt it. Why let the new guy gain traction. The abortion that is the latest version of the Liberal party has had their time in the sun. Time for some new blood. A lot more needs to be done than just turfing Trudeau.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GGG

What voter who is considering the NDP going to change their vote in the scenario you are describing. Essentially Singh would get some more policy extractions to keep the gov from falling.

Writing the letter in the way he did makes him look stronger in the more likely Trudeau doesn’t resign scenario. I don’t think we ever get to find out though as I don’t see Trudeau resigning.

I think there’s next to zero chance that Trudeau will resign. He’s too much of a narcissist.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I doubt it. Why let the new guy gain traction. The abortion that is the latest version of the Liberal party has had their time in the sun. Time for some new blood. A lot more needs to be done than just turfing Trudeau.

NDP benefits from a stronger but not too strong liberal party. The blue liberals are currently voting for the conservatives. Pulling those back into the liberal fold increases the likelihood of a minority government.

The NDP outcome is not made worse by waiting. They just haven’t been the beneficiary of the liberal failures.

[Goriders]

The CPC is trending at 250 seats. The Liberals and NDP combined 47. I don’t think it matters what happens they are most likely getting a majority.

Jagmeet and JT have worn out their welcome.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The CPC is trending at 250 seats. The Liberals and NDP combined 47. I don’t think it matters what happens they are most likely getting a majority.

Jagmeet and JT have worn out their welcome.

Feels like going in circles watching this argument. If the Cons are that strong and Trudeau and Singh are both cooked then why would either of them want an election?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The CPC is trending at 250 seats. The Liberals and NDP combined 47. I don’t think it matters what happens they are most likely getting a majority.

Jagmeet and JT have worn out their welcome.

I think you are unable to put your self in Jagmeets perspective and evaluate which of the losing hands is best for the NDP / Jagmeet.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think you are unable to put your self in Jagmeets perspective and evaluate which of the losing hands is best for the NDP / Jagmeet.

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