Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Wasn't there a video of smith basically outlining how she could break up AHS and start selling off parts? This was basically the first part of that speech.
Meanwhile when it came out all her supporters on here basically just said, that is not what she meant and lets just wait and see what happens. We need to give her time

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1654491857882103811

[chedder]

This is going to be a total catastrophe. Imagine another health emergency and the bible deep south and other rural boards will do nothing while the city boards will institute mandates etc. That's not going to divide the people of Alberta at all...

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Torture

Nope, we voted her in and she's the Premier now.

Laugh at Edmonton all you want but it was stupid effing Calgary who put us in this mess. Mofos.

We made Danielle Smith our elected Premier..... This is definitely hell on earth.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1654491857882103811

I'd like to see the receipts of her claim that this would all be compliant with the Canada Health Act.

Oh wait, we don't need receipts, her word is beyond contestation! and if the Feds/Courts want to disagree then we just need to fight the Feds!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chedder

This is going to be a total catastrophe. Imagine another health emergency and the bible deep south and other rural boards will do nothing while the city boards will institute mandates etc. That's not going to divide the people of Alberta at all...

At this point? #### 'em. Those morons voted for this, let them suffer. They are dragging us down with them, and I have zero ####s left to give. in fact, I hope they suffer enough to knock some goddamn sense into them.

[Ozy_Flame]

They're regionalizing and breaking it down through these new agencies so that when they take the next steps towards privatization, they can piece out certain elements of these agencies to "third party management" and "different staff, nurses and doctors". Then they can say the other three agencies are being left alone, nothing is going to change other than piecemeal upgrades to 'improve efficiencies'.

This is basically the equivalent of segregating each member of the healthcare team, bringing them into their own rooms - away from the peanut gallery - and eventually letting private interests take over the 'management' of them, all shrouded in the spending of 'taxpayer money'.

It's the classic Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' strategy.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Laugh at Edmonton all you want but it was stupid effing Calgary who put us in this mess. Mofos.

We made Danielle Smith our elected Premier..... This is definitely hell on earth.

The UCP and conservative governing systems continually cater to the wealthy and connected in this province, and have for many decades. It's a small club and 95% of us ain't in it.

And yet, they are masters of convincing their supporters outside of this small club that their way is the right way and to follow them. And their supporters eat it up like the obedient puppets they are looked down on as.

[Izzle]

And yet Conservatives in the federal thread will not even consider the federal NDP. Liberals are corrupt... CPC in the future is currently being played out here in Alberta. They'd rather cry about being political orphans because they're too scared to tell the far right to #### off.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Faust

Alberta government planning to fire Chestermere council, administrators after months of defiance

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...administrators

This pleases me. I’m friends with the investigator and interim CAO and that council is toxic.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

This province gets less and less appealing with each new iteration of the Conservative Party.

And each week. It’s weekly that I think, ‘I didn’t think it could get worse but they’ve proven me wrong.’

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Muta

The UCP and conservative governing systems continually cater to the wealthy and connected in this province, and have for many decades. It's a small club and 95% of us ain't in it.

And yet, they are masters of convincing their supporters outside of this small club that their way is the right way and to follow them. And their supporters eat it up like the obedient puppets they are looked down on as.

Modern day conservatism in a nutshell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

This pleases me. I’m friends with the investigator and interim CAO and that council is toxic.

Oh yeah Jeff Colvin is a massive DBAG seeing him get tossed is a beautiful thing.

Fattened his pockets but what's new the governments in the province.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Laugh at Edmonton all you want but it was stupid effing Calgary who put us in this mess. Mofos.

We made Danielle Smith our elected Premier..... This is definitely hell on earth.

Naw, it’s been hell on earth since that incompetent moron Justin came to power, you should be use to stupidity by now.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by TKB

Naw, it’s been hell on earth since that incompetent moron Justin came to power

The UCP has done more damage to this province and its citizens than anything Trudeau has done.

Originally Posted by TKB

you should be use to stupidity by now.

We are, 40+ years of deteriorating conservative rule has us as experts in this field.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

They're regionalizing and breaking it down through these new agencies so that when they take the next steps towards privatization, they can piece out certain elements of these agencies to "third party management" and "different staff, nurses and doctors". Then they can say the other three agencies are being left alone, nothing is going to change other than piecemeal upgrades to 'improve efficiencies'.

This is basically the equivalent of segregating each member of the healthcare team, bringing them into their own rooms - away from the peanut gallery - and eventually letting private interests take over the 'management' of them, all shrouded in the spending of 'taxpayer money'.

It's the classic Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' strategy.

However they've decided to split up AHS, its probably grouped by what they think a buyer would like to pick up in one go. They keep on saying that AHS is "broken" but they were the ones that broke it in the first place, and they should not be entrusted in the fix. Its a conflict of interest by definition. But like everything with these crony capitalists and ultra right wing types, if it's unethical, we'll just got rid of anything that tells us it is.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

However they've decided to split up AHS, its probably grouped by what they think a buyer would like to pick up in one go. They keep on saying that AHS is "broken" but they were the ones that broke it in the first place, and they should not be entrusted in the fix. Its a conflict of interest by definition. But like everything with these crony capitalists and ultra right wing types, if it's unethical, we'll just got rid of anything that tells us it is.

I don't think so. The UCP is on a complete balancing act to placate their urban base (read: Calgary) and major privatization efforts for one of the four agencies might be the point where moderates say enough is enough.

Danielle prefers the "death by 1000 cuts" approach, and her advisors are probably telling her the same thing. Start elements of privatization of a particular agency, while enforcing that the the agencies are pillars of healthcare and publicly stable, and make multiple small changes that get them closer to that goal.

If I had to guess, the new Continuing Care agency and Mental Health and Addiction areas are going to see bigger moves out of the gate. For continuing care, more private facilities to put beds is likely already on the docket. For-profit facilities have strongly lobbied to move governance of continuing care outside AHS, which they assume will be good for their bottom lines.

[Yoho]

Nice recap of AHS history.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1722338196757807560

[Fuzz]

Well I'm only at 1994, but...

1994


In the midst of a massive deficit-slaying effort and focus on repairing the province’s finances, Progressive Conservative premier Ralph Klein kiboshes more than 200 local hospital and public health boards, replacing them with 17 health authorities assigned by geography.


Some argue the “local empires” were too costly, and individual requests for resources had become channelled through politicians who had little idea how to prioritize them.

At the same time, critics said the new boundaries appeared to be rooted in the politics of the rural Conservative caucus more so than practicality or logic.

Like, if that isn't the biggest ####ing set of flashing red lights saying STOP STOP STOP I don't know what is. Wild how so much of that applies today. Smith says we need more local decision making that appears it will be funneled through politicians at the top who will have little idea how to prioritize them.

[Fuzz]

2008
The PC government under Ed Stelmach moves to dissolve the nine health regions, prompting the creation of a single governing authority at Alberta Health Services (AHS). It comes after the fierce competition for resources among regions led to varying salary and benefit offers, and varying levels of service, depending on where you lived.

So is there anything in this new plan to prevent this between the 4 new divisions? Do we learn nothing from the past anymore?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So is there anything in this new plan to prevent this between the 4 new divisions? Do we learn nothing from the past anymore?

Yeah but those were the PC conservatives not the UCP conservatives. We’re not the PC conservatives and we’re not Kenney’s UCP. But we’re still the conservatives. Got it?