The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

Take the 4 1sts and offer sheet Dubois next year for less, since Columbus will be in a worse situation than we are.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

Honestly with that roster right now and how much it was gutted...I'd be tempted to let them have him and take the 4 first rounders.

Then you have $8M in cap space and a lot of draft capital to go work on a trade for somebody else - say Ehlers or one of the RFAs from Winnipeg for example.

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Columbus could not offer that as they don’t have the requisite picks.

They could only offer him $10.5+ at the cost of four first round picks, in which case you laugh and take them all the way to the bank.

The compensation limits are the AAV of the offer sheet averaged over the length of the contract to an upper limit of five years. So it would be 4 firsts at that offer anyways.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's not kid ourselves, there is no situation that sees tkschuk out of the lineup that is beneficial to the flames.

If the cost of signing tkachik was frolik and Brodie you don't blink before pulling that trigger.

This isn't a nylander situation, it's an Iginla situation.

The flames NEED tkachuk in the lineup.

lol

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Columbus could not offer that as they don’t have the requisite picks....

Yes, they do. On offer sheets the cap hit for compensation purposes is determined by the total value of the contract ($70.0 m) divided by five years, which equals $14.0 m.

That amounts to four first round draft picks. Columbus still has all of theirs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly with that roster right now and how much it was gutted...I'd be tempted to let them have him and take the 4 first rounders.

Then you have $8M in cap space and a lot of draft capital to go work on a trade for somebody else - say Ehlers or one of the RFAs from Winnipeg for example.

You could also just wait until next year and sign Dubois to an offer sheet as Columbus would be up against it.

Hell, you could even kindly offer to accept Tkachuk and a 1st as a cap dump to help them out of their troubles

[Manhattanboy]

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[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, they do. On offer sheets the cap hit for compensation purposes is determined by the total value of the contract ($70.0 m) divided by five years, which equals $14.0 m.



That amounts to four first round draft picks. Columbus still has all of theirs.

Thanks, didn’t know it was the value over five, thought it was based on AAV.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Columbus could not offer that as they don’t have the requisite picks.

They could only offer him $10.5+ at the cost of four first round picks, in which case you laugh and take them all the way to the bank.

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Thanks, didn’t know it was the value over five, thought it was based on AAV.

It's the AAV up until 5 years of term.

Then after 5 years of term it's the total contract value divided by 5 to determine the compensation threshold.

[manwiches]

Re: Offer Sheets

I'm too lazy to read through the thread again or google, but didn't Tkachuk come out and say he didn't want to sign anywhere else but Calgary? Or something to that effect? If so, an offer sheet is kind of moot.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Re: Offer Sheets

I'm too lazy to read through the thread again or google, but didn't Tkachuk come out and say he didn't want to sign anywhere else but Calgary? Or something to that effect? If so, an offer sheet is kind of moot.

Whatever Tkachuk has said in the media regarding his extension is entirely moot.

But irrespective of such comments, it is a safe assumption to think that Tkachuk's top priority is to sign his next contract with the Calgary Flames. I think most players tend to want to remain with the team that drafted them—unless something has gone spectacularly wrong—and especially so if things have gone very well. Tkachuk is a top player on a deep, contending team which offers him an excellent chance to win, and to maximize his value. Those are huge incentives for him to want first and foremost to re-sign in Calgary.

Any team which extends him an offer sheet will most likely not afford him the same competitive opportunity, and with such an offer there is also a lot of risk for the player. For example, Tkachuk already knows the coaches and management well; he has established long-term chemistry with several of the players; he knows the city and the market. All of these things in another city are complete mysteries.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

It’s way more of a Nylander situation than an Iginla situation

Iginla was far and away the best player on the team

Tkachuk is not better than Gaudreau or Gio, he is in the conversation with Monahan and Lindholm

For a year or two Iggy was the best player in the NHL. I love Tkachuk but there's no chance of that.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Columbus comes in and offers him 7 years $70M and he accepts it. What do the Flames do?

Columbus would be offering that to Rantanen first.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Columbus would be offering that to Rantanen first.

Except Colorado has plenty of cap space to match, and it would be a waste.


The targets would be the teams in a cap crunch, so Laine, Tkachuk, Connor, and Point.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ped

Except Colorado has plenty of cap space to match, and it would be a waste.


The targets would be the teams in a cap crunch, so Laine, Tkachuk, Connor, and Point.

Are you certain Colorado would match? I'm not. Colorado with all their cap space has not simply handed Rantanen a blank cheque—he is still (by all reports) just as far away from a contract as are Tkachuk and Point. If Rantanen signed an offer sheet and it was in considerable excess of what Sakic has budgeted and is willing to spend, then the Avalanche most likely let him walk and accept the picks.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’m certain Tkachuk has had at least 1 offer sheet presented at this point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m certain Tkachuk has had at least 1 offer sheet presented at this point.

Why are you certain?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m certain Tkachuk has had at least 1 offer sheet presented at this point.

It would surprise me, but I wouldn’t discount the possibility.


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why are you certain?

Just from the highlighted points earlier that the Flames are in a crunch. Especially if Marner actually received 2 as his agent said after the deal was done. Aho got one. I don’t see how you wouldn’t offer sheet Tkachuk.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Whatever Tkachuk has said in the media regarding his extension is entirely moot.

But irrespective of such comments, it is a safe assumption to think that Tkachuk's top priority is to sign his next contract with the Calgary Flames. I think most players tend to want to remain with the team that drafted them—unless something has gone spectacularly wrong—and especially so if things have gone very well. Tkachuk is a top player on a deep, contending team which offers him an excellent chance to win, and to maximize his value. Those are huge incentives for him to want first and foremost to re-sign in Calgary.

Any team which extends him an offer sheet will most likely not afford him the same competitive opportunity, and with such an offer there is also a lot of risk for the player. For example, Tkachuk already knows the coaches and management well; he has established long-term chemistry with several of the players; he knows the city and the market. All of these things in another city are complete mysteries.

Could not agree with the bolded part more. As for players having loyalty to their drafted team, while true to an extent the data would say it's more the R in RFA that causes this, otherwise you'd see about the same churn as you do with UFA's.

[leo_mendes]

If Tkachuk gets a high offer from anybody , Flames should not match , get the 4 1st draft picks, grind for the playoffs and make a good trade at the trade deadline at the end of regular season .





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