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Roof-Daddy · 06-01-2018, 06:16 PM

This is why the season is over in my opinion.

We have 1 starting pitcher who is any good this year.

I didn't expect much from Garcia anyways, and Estrada was bound to slip sooner or later. It's the collapse of Stroman and Sanchez that is much more unexpected and worrisome going forward.

I hope our front office can find pitchers going forward, because that's a weak point in our prospect base as well.

nixon45 · 06-01-2018, 07:44 PM

Pathetic when the absolute best scenario for your starting catcher at the plate is him getting HBP

Karl · 06-01-2018, 08:13 PM

This season is a lost cause.

Roof-Daddy · 06-01-2018, 08:15 PM

Roof-Daddy · 06-01-2018, 08:17 PM

Pillar slash line since May 18th

.105 .186 .158 .344

Haha, yeah he is what he is.

browna · 06-02-2018, 07:54 PM

Gibby going to take the fall for the front office going cheap. Probably sooner then later.
Surprised he's lasted this long with tweeldum and tweddeldee in the front office and the cheap owners who are still trying to milk those playoff runs.

Then soon after a JD trade for a disappointing return, maybe a pitcher like Estrada on his way to a contender, with a call up of Vlad and possibly Bichette to placate the fan base and try and get a blip up in attendance numbers.

Going to be a long few years I think.

Dan02 · 06-03-2018, 06:41 AM

At this point the absolute worst thing they could do is bring those 2 up. Who wants them infected by this team?

Caged Great · 06-03-2018, 10:34 AM

Frankly, the team should just let the main roster rot as is until the deadline and then move anything that is over the age of 25 if anyone wants them.

This team is going to be in the 100 loss territory for the next 3-4 years, so they might as well just embrace having the young guys coming up through the org.

Unfortunately, only Vlad and Bichette seem to have any higher end potential that has been actualized. Hard to build a team around two players. They need more guys to step up and show they have something. That takes time.

GirlySports · 06-03-2018, 12:58 PM

Clutch hitting?

Machiavelli · 06-03-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Clutch hitting?

I was so sure Grichuk would GIDP to end the inning

Roof-Daddy · 06-04-2018, 10:21 AM

Day 1 of the MLB draft today.

Jays with the 12th pick in round 1.

Sylvanfan · 06-04-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Gibby going to take the fall for the front office going cheap. Probably sooner then later.
Surprised he's lasted this long with tweeldum and tweddeldee in the front office and the cheap owners who are still trying to milk those playoff runs.

Then soon after a JD trade for a disappointing return, maybe a pitcher like Estrada on his way to a contender, with a call up of Vlad and possibly Bichette to placate the fan base and try and get a blip up in attendance numbers.

Going to be a long few years I think.

Yeah, but how much of this is Anthopolis huffing and puffing about high ceiling prospects that never really materialized, or got traded for underperforming vets?

Even if they have Encarnacion with this current team are they making the playoffs? I don't think so.

They had to tear it down and retool the thing. But you still need bodies to play in the majors.

Long term I think this front office will ultimately get the Jays somewhere moreso than AA managed to.

cross16 · 06-04-2018, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, but how much of this is Anthopolis huffing and puffing about high ceiling prospects that never really materialized, or got traded for underperforming vets?

Even if they have Encarnacion with this current team are they making the playoffs? I don't think so.

They had to tear it down and retool the thing. But you still need bodies to play in the majors.

Long term I think this front office will ultimately get the Jays somewhere moreso than AA managed to.

I would agree.

This has been the discussion for a few years now and the consensus was always that the Jays would eventually get here. AA mortgaged a ton of future for those playoff runs and now the Jays are paying the bills. I would agree Shapiro/Atkins have made some mistakes but i'm not sure this outcome was avoidable. I mean Pillar is their only non pitcher on the roster who was drafted and developed by the team, with no one that close either, so I think that says a lot. Maybe they extend it a season or two, I thought they would this year, but it was coming.

Jays need to completely re stock and rebuild through draft picks so they can get some balance and some depth. So far i've been really encouraged by the draft results under Shapiro/Atkins so I think they are on the right track personally.

Parallex · 06-04-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cross16

AA mortgaged a ton of future for those playoff runs and now the Jays are paying the bills.

Literally and figuratively. Martin and Tulo eat up 25% of payroll... it's hard to really compete when you have $40,000,000.00 of dead money from before your time on the books. If your wondering why no Vladito yet... that's why. The Jays need more of that money off the books because without it (the money) they can't leverage Bo/Vlad's pre-arbitration years optimally.

Roof-Daddy · 06-04-2018, 01:43 PM

Thing is, of all the trades AA made where youth went out the door, the only one of those prospects that really took off at the MLB level is Syndergaard.

Hechavarria
Norris
d'Arnaud
Hoffman
Castro
Graveman
Nolin
Lawrie
Labourt

I guess Boyd is coming around now, and a couple of the above are still young I guess. But really, Syndergaard is the only one that really stings. Especially since it was AA buying high spectacularly on a very average pitcher in Dickey.

Jason14h · 06-04-2018, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cross16

I would agree.

This has been the discussion for a few years now and the consensus was always that the Jays would eventually get here. AA mortgaged a ton of future for those playoff runs and now the Jays are paying the bills. I would agree Shapiro/Atkins have made some mistakes but i'm not sure this outcome was avoidable. I mean Pillar is their only non pitcher on the roster who was drafted and developed by the team, with no one that close either, so I think that says a lot. Maybe they extend it a season or two, I thought they would this year, but it was coming.

Jays need to completely re stock and rebuild through draft picks so they can get some balance and some depth. So far i've been really encouraged by the draft results under Shapiro/Atkins so I think they are on the right track personally.

This is why the Jays needed to go all in the 2nd run and then tear down.

Instead they did the worst of both worlds. Didn’t want to trade anymore prospects and didn’t want to rebuild.

This is what you end up with . Anyone who knows Rogers saw this coming 3 years ago.

Roof-Daddy · 06-04-2018, 06:27 PM

With the 12th pick the Blue Jays take SS/3B Jordan Groshans out of a Texas High School.

Kind of a reach here supposedly, although I'm not super savvy with the baseball draft. A couple highly touted pitching prospects fell from the top 5 down to the Jays and they passed as well, so some hard core Jays fans are not loving this haha.

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Though Magnolia (Texas) High has sent more than two dozen players to college programs, it never has had a player drafted before the 20th round. That should change in 2018, as the Bulldogs have a pair of top-two-rounds prospects in Groshans and right-hander Adam Kloffenstein. While Groshans doesn't have an obvious plus tool, he also doesn't have a glaring weakness. Groshans has a quick right-handed stroke and has a track record of catching up to and punishing quality fastballs on the showcase circuit. With his strength, balance and mature approach, he makes consistent hard line-drive contact. Once he fills out his rangy 6-foot-4 frame and adds some loft to his swing, he should have average or better power. An average runner out of the batter's box and quicker once he gets going, Groshans is athletic for his size but won't stay at shortstop after he leaves Magnolia. His solid arm will play anywhere in the infield, where he probably fits best at third base but may have a chance to stick up the middle at second, and he has the makeup to get the most out of his ability.

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Parallex · 06-04-2018, 06:35 PM

I'm underwhelmed... there are guys with plus tools out there why take a prep with bucket full of nothing plus? He's a prep version of Warmoth. I mean... the only thing I can think of is they have pre-draft deal with another guy at 52 and Groshans is the best guy they can sign for the different dollars... we'll see.

Mathgod · 06-04-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

Frankly, the team should just let the main roster rot as is until the deadline and then move anything that is over the age of 25 if anyone wants them.

This team is going to be in the 100 loss territory for the next 3-4 years, so they might as well just embrace having the young guys coming up through the org.

Unfortunately, only Vlad and Bichette seem to have any higher end potential that has been actualized. Hard to build a team around two players. They need more guys to step up and show they have something. That takes time.

Agreed. That approach worked out pretty good for the Astros, didn't it? Time for the Jays to map out a 5-year plan and bite the bullet for a few years.

Beninho · 06-04-2018, 07:23 PM

Just a bit confusing because they have Bichette, Vlad, and took Warmoth last year. I’m no expert on how the MLB draft works but it seems like the Jays are saving their signing money for a certain prospect at 52. Still think they should’ve went pitcher but baseball is the biggest crab shoot among all North American drafts so who really knows.

Just reading about him I do like his tools more than Warmoth, infield prospects will be good trade chips down the line as well