06-24-2015, 02:12 PM
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#1601
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
The fun fact, and with great irony, is that he is right. In modern usage, the Confederate battle flag DOES represent state rights. It was, in fact, repopularized by the Dixiecrats beginning in the late 1940s. "Dixiecrats" being a nickname of the States Rights Democratic Party. And they were very much in favour of states rights. But what state right was their concern?
Segregation.
That is what their fight was about. So while racists like Quincy Egg are technically right in making such a claim, the reality is that for over a century and a half, the battle flag has represented the idea that, not only are whites are superior to blacks, but that whites need to rise up to defend their right to treat blacks as inferior.
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Also the dixiecrats fought very hard against Trueman to keep lynching Blacks legal..
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06-24-2015, 02:22 PM
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#1602
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
The Confederate flag is nothing more than a symbol of Southern heritage and States' rights. What flag flew on the slave ships coming over from Africa? Oh yeah, the AMERICAN FLAG... let's ban that too!
Also, why isn't the Quran banned from Walmart and Amazon since extremists frequently cite it as one of the reasons they commit terrorist acts? Curious to hear the Liberal double-think on that one
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The confederacy was built to uphold slavery. Nothing more. It wasn't for "States Rights" , except for the right to own slaves. That's some seriously twisted vote of history you have. Where do you get this interpretation of? I'm genuinely curious. Honestly
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06-24-2015, 02:23 PM
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#1603
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States Rights is a dog whistle racist term anyway.
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06-24-2015, 02:32 PM
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#1604
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Virgina had the Supreme Court rule to stop producing Conferderate plates. Interesting notes in this article is Texas never even wanted this plates and Maryland produces them but was never part of the Confederate.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8833279...-supreme-court
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The Sons of Confederate Veterans wanted Texas to be the 10th. Texas already had a dizzying array of specialty license plates — including advertisements for Re/Max realty and Dr. Pepper as well as plates with messages like "Fight terrorism" and "Don't tread on me." But the state motor vehicles board, which has the final say over license plate designs, turned down the Sons of Confederate Veterans when they applied to sponsor a license plate.
Many members of the public found the Confederate flag offensive as a symbolic representation of preserving slavery and promoting white supremacy. The board ruled that their concerns were reasonable.
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Texas thought it was racist along . Mind blowing.
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06-24-2015, 02:52 PM
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#1605
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
The confederacy was built to uphold slavery. Nothing more. It wasn't for "States Rights" , except for the right to own slaves. That's some seriously twisted vote of history you have. Where do you get this interpretation of? I'm genuinely curious. Honestly
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A pretty hefty proportion of Americans genuinely believe the states rights thing. Never underestimated the human capacity for self-justification and delusion.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/16/the_...the_civil_war/
At the bottom of all of these is one basic question: was the Civil War about slavery, or states’ rights?
Popular opinion favors the latter theory. In the spring of 2011, in recognition of the 150th anniversary of the start of the Civil War, pollsters at the Pew Research Center asked: “What is your impression of the main cause of the Civil War?” Thirty-eight percent of the respondents said the main cause was the South’s defense of an economic system based on slavery, while nearly half—48 percent—said the nation sacrificed some 650,000 of its fathers, sons, and brothers over a difference of interpretation in constitutional law. White non-Southerners believed this in roughly the same proportion as white Southerners, which was interesting; even more fascinating was the fact that 39 percent of the black respondents, many of them presumably the descendants of slaves, did, too.
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06-24-2015, 03:51 PM
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#1606
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Originally Posted by nik-
Brave traitors who bravely fought to continue their practice of enslaving people
Brave!
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I know you used brave 3 times but the key word here is traitors.
The South will rise again, they say.
More treason on the way?
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06-25-2015, 12:17 PM
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#1607
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
Virgina had the Supreme Court rule to stop producing Conferderate plates. Interesting notes in this article is Texas never even wanted this plates and Maryland produces them but was never part of the Confederate.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8833279...-supreme-court
Texas thought it was racist along . Mind blowing.
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It nearly was. Because the capital of the union was in Maryland, Lincoln had to overstep his authority as president to keep Maryland and Baltimore from succeeding from the Union. That is why Washington became the District of Columbia. Maryland was also a slave state (Delaware as well) until November 1, of 1864 when slavery was abolished under the new state constitution. Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, but that only declared slaves in the states of the Confederacy to be free.
John Wilkes Booth was also from Maryland.
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06-25-2015, 01:30 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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And the shock and outrage of yet another major shooting event in America runs out of steam on social and traditional media. So we wait for the next.
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06-25-2015, 01:59 PM
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#1609
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Alabama Govener removes the Confederate flag from capital.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...oved_from.html
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Asked his reasons for taking it down and if it included what happened in Charleston last week, the governor said, "Yes, partially this is about that. This is the right thing to do. We are facing some major issues in this state regarding the budget and other matters that we need to deal with. This had the potential to become a major distraction as we go forward. I have taxes to raise, we have work to do. And it was my decision that the flag needed to come down."
Bentley said before he made the final decision he checked to see if there were any impediments in the law or state policy that would prevent him from taking down the flag and found none, so he acted.
After the battle flag – which is at the center of the controversy – was gone, workers began removing three other Civil War era flags.
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06-25-2015, 02:12 PM
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#1610
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Originally Posted by flameswin
And the shock and outrage of yet another major shooting event in America runs out of steam on social and traditional media. So we wait for the next.
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I feel like Phil Connors
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06-25-2015, 02:49 PM
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#1611
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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
I can't belive the flag thing is being used to mis direct the real issues in this case. Perhaps had all this outrage and awareness been focused on mental health, poor parenting and gun culture, to name a few, some real progress could be made. I'm curious what the expected end game is by banning the flag, the are thousands, perhaps millions of rascists in the US who own guns that would never think of doing this.
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Because I've seen this brought up a few times...
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/its_...y_white_males/
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It’s not about mental illness: The big lie that always follows mass shootings by white males
Blaming "mental illness" is a cop-out -- and one that lets us avoid talking about race, guns, hatred and terrorism
We barely know anything about the suspect in the Charleston, South Carolina, atrocity. We certainly don’t have testimony from a mental health professional responsible for his care that he suffered from any specific mental illness, or that he suffered from a mental illness at all.
We do have statistics showing that the vast majority of people who commit acts of violence do not have a diagnosis of mental illness and, conversely, people who have mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.
We know that the stigma of people who suffer from mental illness as scary, dangerous potential murderers hurts people every single day — it costs people relationships and jobs, it scares people away from seeking help who need it, it brings shame and fear down on the heads of people who already have it bad enough.
But the media insists on trotting out “mental illness” and blaring out that phrase nonstop in the wake of any mass killing. I had to grit my teeth every time I personally debated someone defaulting to the mindless mantra of “The real issue is mental illness” over the Isla Vista shootings.
“The real issue is mental illness” is a goddamn cop-out. I almost never hear it from actual mental health professionals, or advocates working in the mental health sphere, or anyone who actually has any kind of informed opinion on mental health or serious policy proposals for how to improve our treatment of the mentally ill in this country.
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06-25-2015, 03:29 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Originally Posted by rubecube
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It is always interesting how when a young white man shoots up a school or movie theater or church that's always the narrative. He was "troubled" or a "loner."
I wonder how many people blamed mental health when the Boston bombing suspects were found.
Hell, Mike Brown was shot and killed by a police officer after an altercation with a store clerk, and he wasn't given the kind of free pass of "mental health" that is given to a guy who, in cold blood, gunned down 9 people in a church.
Funny how people can justify police overreacting to black citizens/suspects, and how they immediately call a brown person a terrorist, and yet then they'll let off a white shooter with the "mental health" clause.
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07-02-2015, 08:49 AM
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We may have another one on our hands with an apparent active shooter at a Washington navy yard.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2087799/po...ctive-shooter/
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07-02-2015, 08:50 AM
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Seems nothing is confirmed right now. Maybe I jumped the gun.
Perhaps I can edit in another shooting later on, there's bound to be something.
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07-02-2015, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wittynickname
Hell, Mike Brown was shot and killed by a police officer after an altercation with a store clerk, and he wasn't given the kind of free pass of "mental health" that is given to a guy who, in cold blood, gunned down 9 people in a church.
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Mike Brown wasn't killed because of an altercation with a store clerk. Mike Brown was killed because he tried to tackle and disarm a police officer.
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07-02-2015, 09:57 AM
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#1616
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Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wittynickname
It is always interesting how when a young white man shoots up a school or movie theater or church that's always the narrative. He was "troubled" or a "loner."
I wonder how many people blamed mental health when the Boston bombing suspects were found.
Hell, Mike Brown was shot and killed by a police officer after an altercation with a store clerk, and he wasn't given the kind of free pass of "mental health" that is given to a guy who, in cold blood, gunned down 9 people in a church.
Funny how people can justify police overreacting to black citizens/suspects, and how they immediately call a brown person a terrorist, and yet then they'll let off a white shooter with the "mental health" clause.
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I didn't hear much about mental health here. The mental health thing comes up more often when its more of a random selection of victims rather than hate driven. This one and the Boston bombing guys were clearlyhate or ideologically motivated.
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07-02-2015, 11:12 AM
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#1617
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
Perhaps had all this outrage and awareness been focused on mental health.
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Hating black people is not a mental illness.
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07-02-2015, 01:50 PM
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#1618
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Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wittynickname
It is always interesting how when a young white man shoots up a school or movie theater or church that's always the narrative. He was "troubled" or a "loner."
I wonder how many people blamed mental health when the Boston bombing suspects were found.
Hell, Mike Brown was shot and killed by a police officer after an altercation with a store clerk, and he wasn't given the kind of free pass of "mental health" that is given to a guy who, in cold blood, gunned down 9 people in a church.
Funny how people can justify police overreacting to black citizens/suspects, and how they immediately call a brown person a terrorist, and yet then they'll let off a white shooter with the "mental health" clause.
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selective memory and getting the facts wrong, are as well FUNNY
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07-03-2015, 05:42 AM
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#1619
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Originally Posted by Acey
Hating black people is not a mental illness.
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Racism is a form of mental ######ation.
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07-03-2015, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by T@T
Racism is a form of mental ######ation.
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No it's not. Racism is a learned attitude/behavior generally passed down from parents or peers. Cognitive disabilities are from birth, the result of an accident or the result of chemical changes in the brain due to environmental or other factors. That said, there's no question that some people are born smarter than others and I'd like to imagine that racists are generally pretty stupid to begin with (which is probably what you meant).
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