Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Jacks]

Can you guys start a union thread or something?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Big news (much to the chagrin of those claiming they know best with their narratives)

Ah yes, the ultimate spin of trying to portray people who say they can understand why Singh may be compelled to not call for an early election as arguing that he shouldn’t do it.

Your credibility continues to trend downward.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Can you guys start a union thread or something?

You’d probably just avoid that thread and I’d hate for you to miss anything.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Even this isn't all that crazy, losing confidence after 9 years in power doesn't really raise eye brows. yeah it's probably a year over due, but not any kind of crisis.

Mmm...I dont really know about that necessarily. When most of the cabinet of the sitting Government bails out? Basically a failing Government.

We've been seeing it happen in the UK for years now and its usually big news.

In Canada when we get tired of a Government we usually just vote them out at the next Election...as Democratic nations do...rarely however does most of the Government throw their hands up and quit.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Can you guys start a union thread or something?

What if the rest of us organized against them?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Mmm...I dont really know about that necessarily. When most of the cabinet of the sitting Government bails out? Basically a failing Government.

We've been seeing it happen in the UK for years now and its usually big news.

In Canada when we get tired of a Government we usually just vote them out at the next Election...as Democratic nations do...rarely however does most of the Government throw their hands up and quit.

You can’t fire them because they quit!

[shotinthebacklund]

Before the liberals can prorogue. Lets see the Governor General step in with opposition parties and dissolve the Government and force a immediate election.
Edit: It seems I was misinformed on the powers of the Governor general, I thought they had that power but im reading it looks like its not the case. Has to be under advisement of the Prime minister to begin with.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Before the liberals can prorogue. Lets see the Governor General step in with opposition parties and dissolve the Government and force a immediate election.

Lol! You'd have better luck seeing King Chuck show up and demand an election. Scepter, Crown and all.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Big news (much to the chagrin of those claiming they know best with their narratives)

Hey, as someone who was claiming its possibly in the best interest for NDP to continue, mea culpa.

My non-politco speculation was incorrect, whoops.

Lets all not speculate anymore. Lets all continue to parrot off the same useless platitudes ad naseum.

Trudeau has bankrupted us!
We are a laughing stock!
the country needs an election!

awesome message board.

[#-3]

Right now, You need the CPC + NDP + 8 or CPC + BQ + 1 to take down the government.

For the NDP. it's hard to say what they are thinking, the could think that a looming CPC/PP government is worse than what we have now. They could be thinking with the Liberals completely collapsing they have a shot a big Jack Layton style 100 seat election (I personally doubt it). Probably their best case is that they break hard with government, but BQ props the government up for a couple of months, so they can run as a light red option.

CPC obviously will win the next election, with a likely majority right now. so their worst case is upgrading from opposition to minority, but they will likely do better than that. No Brainer.

The Bloc, it likely to return to 90s level 40+ seat counts, if the only real opposition in Quebec is the CPC, so an election would be good for them. But they might exercise more power now with 75% of the seats, but as the only party propping the government up. So weird thing could happen here.

I have no opinion on the other 6 but they aren't that critical in the math either way.

Personally I think it's more likely than not we see an election called before summer, I just don't know if it is the moment or not, the NPDs letter makes the most sense if they thing the Bloc will stall on the election.

For me the most interesting question is will Trudeau gain enough clarity in being pushed out to decline to run. It's probably the best case for the Liberals and for the Country, but still might not make a huge difference.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Hey, as someone who was claiming its possibly in the best interest for NDP to continue, mea culpa.

My non-politco speculation was incorrect, whoops.

Lets all not speculate anymore. Lets all continue to parrot off the same useless platitudes ad naseum.

Trudeau has bankrupted us!
We are a laughing stock!
the country needs an election!

awesome message board.

This sounds much more fun. Why have conversation and theorizes on the why or how of things regardless of whether you agree with them when you can just scream into the void.

I’m gonna go with: the USUAL SUSPECTS have FAILED once AGAIN to predict the POPULARITY of DEAR LEADER. Finally the ADULTS IN THE ROOM have STEPPED UP and PENSION PETE will RULE this THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!

We are living in a POOL OF CESS propped up by PSYCHOPANTS! All the SCUMBAG LEFT has is INSULTS! TRIGGERED!

Yeah this rocks.

[Ped]

But I am kind of curious as to how you feel that a union has taken advantage of workers? That isn’t to say you might not have a reasonable example for how they have, it’s just I can’t really think of a scenario where they could since they have to take their direction from their members who are the ones who decide which contracts they accept, job action and whether they want to be represented by that union. But if it is happening, despite what some might think I actually want unions that don’t do what they’re supposed to do to be held accountable by their members.

Alright, I witnessed this from a few different points of view. Union came in, promised the workers all sorts of stuff that there was no way they were going to get, and was based on what the company was being paid to complete the work. Union came in, first contract came in, and the wages were way lower than what the union had promised, and no paid days off, either.


That union stumbled and bumbled and eventually got replaced by a bigger union. A union I was actually a member of previously, although a different local, and had good experiences with.


The seniority list was master, and also broken up into classifications. Let's say one of the classifications lost half their work to a different company. But the other half of hte work still existed, so people within that classification should have maintained that seniority. After 3 years, they got back the work they had lost. So those people who had remained with in the classification should have had rights to go back and work their previous posts. But the union leadership and the company both got together and decided that previous classification never existed. That it ended 3 years previously, when they lost, even though they maintained some of the work that was there. There was no memos or notices or votes from the union, and nothing from the company. They just decided that the classification never existed in that manner - not arguing that it changed when they lost the work, which would have been a legitimate argument - but that it never existed in that manner, even though I knew for a fact it did, and had seen the seniority lists, and in fact had been one of the ones working on the seniority lists. They just... ceased to exist. Just to screw over about 10 people who had high seniority.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Locke

The only reason the whole 'Pension' debacle even has legs is because Singh could have done this AGES ago.

So his self-righteous grandstanding about 'caring about Canadians' rings a little hollow.

Whether its his pension or something else, if he felt this strongly he sure took his sweet, sweet time.

Its why there is NC in the polls for NDP. They’re at their dipper core levels. Like Alberta for the Cons. Singh has lost all credibility long ago with all but the most fervent orange.

They’ll finish usual 4th, and Singh will leave. With that for certain I can see why he held on, he’s done after this. Which in itself long overdue

[calgarygeologist]

PP is calling for an "emergency" house sitting so that they can do a non confidence vote ASAP. It will be interesting to see if that gets approved and if the NDP vote to take down the government right away or if they delay their non confidence into the next regularly scheduled sitting.

In other news which should come as a surprise to no one, net zero 2035 is done:

In an interview with CBC News, Environment and Climate Change Minister Steven Guilbeault acknowledged what the federal government initially put on the table may not have been realistic.

"Some of things that we put on the table were too stringent and from a technical point of view would be very hard to achieve without Canadians incurring a very high cost," Guilbeault said.

"That's not something that I want as a Canadian member of Parliament and that's not something our government wanted either."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/net...nada-1.7412874

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This sounds much more fun. Why have conversation and theorizes on the why or how of things regardless of whether you agree with them when you can just scream into the void.

I’m gonna go with: the USUAL SUSPECTS have FAILED once AGAIN to predict the POPULARITY of DEAR LEADER. Finally the ADULTS IN THE ROOM have STEPPED UP and PENSION PETE will RULE this THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!

We are living in a POOL OF CESS propped up by PSYCHOPANTS! All the SCUMBAG LEFT has is INSULTS! TRIGGERED!

Yeah this rocks.

Heaven forbid this type of thinking moves over to the hockey side.

we would have zero trade proposals to speculate on

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

PP is calling for an "emergency" house sitting so that they can do a non confidence vote ASAP. It will be interesting to see if that gets approved and if the NDP vote to take down the government right away or if they delay their non confidence into the next regularly scheduled sitting.

In other news which should come as a surprise to no one, net zero 2035 is done:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/net...nada-1.7412874

Calling Jagmeets bluff. PP really wants to face Trudeau rather than a new liberal leader.

[GioforPM]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/carb...nada-1.7415452

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Locke

What if the rest of us organized against them?

Then there’s the matter of dues and pensions……

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Hey, as someone who was claiming its possibly in the best interest for NDP to continue, mea culpa.

My non-politco speculation was incorrect, whoops.

Lets all not speculate anymore. Lets all continue to parrot off the same useless platitudes ad naseum.

Trudeau has bankrupted us!
We are a laughing stock!
the country needs an election!

awesome message board.

So you’re saying you’re wrong ……. BUT

[Goriders]

Sad part is I find this more exciting than watching the Flames try to score 4 goals more than once in a season.