2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Nah, that's just supposed to be green text, because I dared to temper expectations.

The truth will be in the middle of the two scenarios. Anyway, I'm willing to bet that we're not getting a player that was a top 7 pick from 2019 onward for any of our UFAs.

If you guys simply enjoy penciling those players into the lineup, then sure go for it. Hopefully, you won't be too disappointed by the 'underwhelming/lackluster' return of a 1st + 2nd + roster player/B prospect.

I don't think we get those prospects either in return, unless our outgoing player has agreed to an extension already.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

To add to this, if you ice a team that is completely devoid of any talent then, you're sending all of your young and rookie players out to fail, miserably, every night. That does nothing to build confidence. You need to strike a balance in this situation.

Everyone clambering for full tear down is just blinded by the prospect of getting a high pick. Expecting young players to play like #### and 'tank' is far more cancerous. Putting them in a position to fail is far more cancerous. That takes years to undo.

This chorus of 'tank at all costs' is really goddamned annoying and incredibly short-sighted.

Ask the Sens

[D as in David]

Coleman would be a great mentor for Bedard. All we'd ask back in return would be their 1st rounder this upcoming year. Unprotected.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

To add to this, if you ice a team that is completely devoid of any talent then, you're sending all of your young and rookie players out to fail, miserably, every night. That does nothing to build confidence. You need to strike a balance in this situation.

Everyone clambering for full tear down is just blinded by the prospect of getting a high pick. Expecting young players to play like #### and 'tank' is far more cancerous. Putting them in a position to fail is far more cancerous. That takes years to undo.

This chorus of 'tank at all costs' is really goddamned annoying and incredibly short-sighted.

Pretty much. Just listen to Zary talking about how Kadri will talk to them throughout a game about different situations and how to play them. In Zary's words "...and then they happen next shift."

Otherwise, young players end up learning, if they learn at all, the hard way.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is you won't be able to trade everyone at this deadline, so that should never be the expectation.

Focus on the UFAs (Lindholm and Tanev for sure, Hanifin if the return outweighs re-signing him, and Greer) and potentially Markstrom (hot goalie market if he agrees to move) for this deadline.

Then you have the draft / offseason where more guys can move, especially with a rising cap.

Coleman, Mangiapane, Markstrom, Andersson could all potentially attract attention at the draft. It's a weaker UFA crop, and with the rising salary caps teams might have room for the first time in a couple years.

Huberdeau and Kadri likely can't be moved. Weegar is your anchor on the d-core (IMO). And Backlund is your captain. Those are your veterans to mentor the young guys.

But I still doubt the Flames go scorched earth. I'd bet the Flames throw the money they had earmarked for Lindholm/Hanifin at Sam Reinhart before they go scorched earth

I agree with all of this besides trading Andersson.

We need to find a way to keep him. He, Weegar and hopefully Kylington can help keep things respectable on the backend as we work our way through this next stage of Flames hockey.

[Dan403]

Keep Anderson and Weegar. Quality D are hard to come by.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I agree with all of this besides trading Andersson.

We need to find a way to keep him. He, Weegar and hopefully Kylington can help keep things respectable on the backend as we work our way through this next stage of Flames hockey.

He will have 2 years left at a very respectable $4.55M after this season, easily becomes the Flames most valuable asset.

It's a tough spot - because he's a guy you want to keep - but he will be 30 when that contract expires and will probably want an 8 year extension that will come in around $8M+ based on the cap at that time.

I like Andersson but I'd be very reluctant to give a 30 year old Andersson an 8 year extension worth that much money.

To me that means you should start thinking about trading him while his value is at a maximum.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Keep Anderson and Weegar. Quality D are hard to come by.

Especially RHD.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He will have 2 years left at a very respectable $4.55M after this season, easily becomes the Flames most valuable asset.

It's a tough spot - because he's a guy you want to keep - but he will be 30 when that contract expires and will probably want an 8 year extension that will come in around $8M+ based on the cap at that time.

I like Andersson but I'd be very reluctant to give a 30 year old Andersson an 8 year extension worth that much money.

To me that means you should start thinking about trading him while his value is at a maximum.

Yeah, that’ll be a sad one. I love Andersson but you know teams have to be salivating at the thought of having him at this age and $2.25 if the Flames retain.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Pretty much. Just listen to Zary talking about how Kadri will talk to them throughout a game about different situations and how to play them. In Zary's words "...and then they happen next shift."

Otherwise, young players end up learning, if they learn at all, the hard way.

The Flames, if they want to be successful, need to rethink how to do a rebuild. You must get assets back for your pending UFAs. Even if you're in a playoff spot. Flames are going to be perpetually at a disadvantage when it comes to UFAs, so need to squeeze out whatever value you can and focus elsewhere.

But further to this, in order to keep a healthy number of vets in your lineup, you need to have a development pipeline where the end goal is an even age distribution of players on your NHL roster. This way you always have three or four 26-27 year olds teaching the 20-25 year olds. If you have a standout player mentor that is 26+, then it is worth keeping them around. But because they're likely going to be expensive, you don't want more than a couple on your roster. In a pinch, acquire a grizzled journeyman with a good head on his shoulders for ~$1M, like a Dave Lowry type. If you're icing a roster with a bunch of these types on your third pairing or fourth line, you're doing it wrong.

The sooner the Flames start thinking this way the sooner they'll start seeing dividends. But it will be a rocky 5-6 years to get there. But once they have their development sorted out they'll in effect be in perpetual rebuild, in that I mean they'll be graduating 3-5 players to the NHL level every season and selling pending UFAs for futures to replenish the development pool.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

Quoted for the laughs. Thank you.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Coleman would be a great mentor for Bedard. All we'd ask back in return would be their 1st rounder this upcoming year. Unprotected.

Chicago picks up their mentors for UFA money, like Foligno.

No reason to spend assets.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Chicago picks up their mentors for UFA money, like Foligno.

No reason to spend assets.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He will have 2 years left at a very respectable $4.55M after this season, easily becomes the Flames most valuable asset.

It's a tough spot - because he's a guy you want to keep - but he will be 30 when that contract expires and will probably want an 8 year extension that will come in around $8M+ based on the cap at that time.

I like Andersson but I'd be very reluctant to give a 30 year old Andersson an 8 year extension worth that much money.

To me that means you should start thinking about trading him while his value is at a maximum.

Yea that is a good point.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Quoted for the laughs. Thank you.

Yea no kidding. Retained salary on Lindholm and only a 2nd rounder lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

I think that's the bearish goal post for sure.

Likely better than that, but not the rumoured packages being posted.

[Monahammer]

What's most interesting IMO is that I would easily take that return over all three guys finishing the season here. Hopefully it's more than that, but that is a preferable scenario to status quo.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think that's the bearish goal post for sure.

Likely better than that, but not the rumoured packages being posted.

Offer high, bid low, and end up in the middle lol.

[bluejays]

On cup contenders whose first rounders will be the bottom third of the first round, I’d estimate:
Lindholm - 1st, 2nd, maybe a 3rd
Hanifin - 1st, 4th
Tanev - 2 2nds

I would expect more if you had lamorillo or an old boys guy who gms would be reluctant to fleece but Conroy is new and I think gets squeezed a bit.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

On cup contenders whose first rounders will be the bottom third of the first round, I’d estimate:
Lindholm - 1st, 2nd, maybe a 3rd
Hanifin - 1st, 4th
Tanev - 2 2nds

I would expect more if you had lamorillo or an old boys guy who gms would be reluctant to fleece but Conroy is new and I think gets squeezed a bit.

I think Hanifin at least gets the H. Lindholm package. 1st and a couple 2nds