I guarantee you're estimate is way off here (for whatever our self-proclaimed guarantees are worth on the internet).
I'd suspect it's closer to 1/10 who 'love it'.
Another 4/10 are probably some shade of neutral to it.
The remaining 5/10 are rolling their eyes at what an entitled bozo you are in that moment.
I won't put a figure on it, but I imagine your antics have been upsetting to dozens of people with auditory sensitivity issues over the years. So you should feel really proud about that.
To put it in terms you might understand, you're at least as bad as bozos who let their poorly trained dogs roam free because "everyone loves dogs" and "don't worry, their super friendly"!
If Sliver is really good at something, it’s definitely being totally wrong and perceiving himself as right. I’m certain we’re about a month away from putting winters on fronts and countersteering down some mountain pass.
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If Sliver is really good at something, it’s definitely being totally wrong and perceiving himself as right. I’m certain we’re about a month away from putting winters on fronts and countersteering down some mountain pass.
Wait, so you're at the bottom of a snowy mountain road in, say, a fwd Honda Civic. You have to get up the road and you only have two winter tires. You're going to put those tires on the back. That's insane. They obviously have to go on the front. I thought you were just messing around when you said you'd put the crappy tires on the front and the winters on the back. How do you expect to get traction in a fwd car if you have crappy tires on the front and good tires on the back. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm willing to prove this in the winter. We'll take my daughter's VW Sportwagen and do some experiments. Kind of a waste of time since I know I'm right (I have done this), but if it'll put this to rest we can do it together.
Wait, so you're at the bottom of a snowy mountain road in, say, a fwd Honda Civic. You have to get up the road and you only have two winter tires. You're going to put those tires on the back. That's insane. They obviously have to go on the front. I thought you were just messing around when you said you'd put the crappy tires on the front and the winters on the back. How do you expect to get traction in a fwd car if you have crappy tires on the front and good tires on the back. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm willing to prove this in the winter. We'll take my daughter's VW Sportwagen and do some experiments. Kind of a waste of time since I know I'm right (I have done this), but if it'll put this to rest we can do it together.
The only test results that really matter will be high speed braking(straight line and corners) to see if the rear overtakes the front of the vehicle, which is the main reason to do this(and comparing to alternate setups). Obviously you will have better acceleration traction by putting grippier tires on the front. But I'm sure you could just Google this too, as I can't imagine it hasn't been done before.
You have to think with the advances in AI, someone has the ability to have a program scrub though all a user’s posts and put together enough relevant details to take a guess at who we really are. Probably not a good idea to post things online assuming your anonymous.
Just to clarify in case it was misinterpreted, when I responded to TCI saying it’s a good thing people don’t act like they do on anonymous message boards in real life by asking “where’s the fun in that?” I wasn’t implying that people should act differently on a site like this than they would in real life.
If the goal of deciding where to install winter tires was solely to solve Sliver's hypothetical scenario of getting a FWD Civic up a snowy mountain road, then Sliver's answer is correct: the sole purpose is getting the car up the snowy incline. You aren't concerned about regular vehicle operation otherwise. It's like one of those maths questions where Bobby has 23 apples and gives 5 to Marsha and 3 to Fred -- sure, there's a correct answer, but you still have to ask yourself what kind of loon is just walking around with 23 apples for no discernible reason.
In a real-world application, the above suggests you're an idiot who drove all the way to said snowy mountain road with your tires in the incorrect configuration... unless you're some other idiot (and a masochist) who decided to drive into the mountains during the snowy season with winter tires only on one axle with the intention of swapping them before proceeding, then swapping them back once you reach the top.
Technically correct, but practically wrong.
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Typical dumb take.
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Wait, so you're at the bottom of a snowy mountain road in, say, a fwd Honda Civic. You have to get up the road and you only have two winter tires. You're going to put those tires on the back. That's insane. They obviously have to go on the front. I thought you were just messing around when you said you'd put the crappy tires on the front and the winters on the back. How do you expect to get traction in a fwd car if you have crappy tires on the front and good tires on the back. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm willing to prove this in the winter. We'll take my daughter's VW Sportwagen and do some experiments. Kind of a waste of time since I know I'm right (I have done this), but if it'll put this to rest we can do it together.
Isn't what you're describing borderline the "drifting in a FWD with fast food trays"?
I agree with Torquedog. The theoretical scenario of blowing out two tires, but having two summers/all seasons available and driving with two summers/all seasons and two winters in inclement weather while doable for such a theoretical scenario, is a completely dumb idea in real life.
The realistic proper answer is, "Call a tow truck, don't risk it."
I think the more realistic situation is blowing out one winter tire and needing to use the spare or full-size summer tire (if you have that option”. So, with 3 winter tires and 1 summer/spare that is what you’d be most likely dealing with.
To keep with the theme of the thread, assume you drove over a needle or glass crack pipe.
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On an unrelated note, is there somewhere around Calgary that you can drive on a wide open snow covered flat area like that? It looks like it would be an absolute blast with an AWD car and winter tires
Isn't what you're describing borderline the "drifting in a FWD with fast food trays"?
I agree with Torquedog. The theoretical scenario of blowing out two tires, but having two summers/all seasons available and driving with two summers/all seasons and two winters in inclement weather while doable for such a theoretical scenario, is a completely dumb idea in real life.
The realistic proper answer is, "Call a tow truck, don't risk it."
That's not the scenario. We had people come in for this all the time. They'd have 2 almost bald tires up front because they never rotated, and then ask to have the rears put on the front when you point it out, you know, to even it out. But the front were so bad we wouldn't do it, because you'd be left with the same situation. It's the same issue with heavy rain as snow. Aquaplaning and spin.
Or they'd only have enough money for 2 winter tires, and we would tell them we'd only put them on the rear, due to safety issues.
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On an unrelated note, is there somewhere around Calgary that you can drive on a wide open snow covered flat area like that? It looks like it would be an absolute blast with an AWD car and winter tires
Ghost lake sets up a track in the winter, I believe it is free.
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Speaking of winter and tires and crackheads, how are we feeling about studded winter tires? I’ve heard they make dry pavement traction worse, but I can’t imagine it’s much worse, while can imagine they absolutely kill on any kind of packed snow or ice.
Speaking of winter and tires and crackheads, how are we feeling about studded winter tires? I’ve heard they make dry pavement traction worse, but I can’t imagine it’s much worse, while can imagine they absolutely kill on any kind of packed snow or ice.
They'd definitely make dry pavement traction for both acceleration and braking worse, they're noisy as hell to drive with, and they chew up the pavement. I'm not really sure by how much it makes dry traction worse although I would think the trade-off could be mitigated by simply driving a little more defensively and braking earlier / not trying to drag race in the winter.
At the same time, is it really worth it if you're spending the vast majority of your time driving in the city? Personally I would get some Hakkapeliitta R5s and call it a day.
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Typical dumb take.
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I dunno, they’re like an extra $20 per tire. I’m thinking, hey, for an extra $80, what’s the difference on those mountain roads a few times a month, or if you get caught in a blizzard and icy conditions, or if you want to rip around during that week or two it’s -40 and the roads are frozen solid?
I dunno, they’re like an extra $20 per tire. I’m thinking, hey, for an extra $80, what’s the difference on those mountain roads a few times a month, or if you get caught in a blizzard and icy conditions, or if you want to rip around during that week or two it’s -40 and the roads are frozen solid?
I love Hakkas… but studs… they seem next level.
You still have the F-150? I'd do it in that case. Those have such a light ass end that I find mine to be pretty mediocre on ice even with Blizzaks. I'd get studded if I could do it over.
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Speaking of winter and tires and crackheads, how are we feeling about studded winter tires? I’ve heard they make dry pavement traction worse, but I can’t imagine it’s much worse, while can imagine they absolutely kill on any kind of packed snow or ice.
We have studs on the bronco and they may be slightly worse on dry but they're awesome on ice and harder snow. As for noise, barely audible difference than other winters.
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We used to run studded exclusively, because it didn't cost my dad anything but my labour installing those little mofos. Are they nosier? Sure, a little, but that's just a reminder that you should be having more fun with them. I can't say I ever really noticed an issue on dry pavement. We had 2 RWD front engine vehicles, so the really helped with acceleration, particularity in the truck.
