2021 NHL Draft - Page 80 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

1qqaaz · 07-08-2021, 05:35 PM

I thought this was interesting. It looks like players born from September 15 to December tend to be the best value picks, but the least drafted.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1413250979609255937

Lanny_McDonald · 07-08-2021, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bingo

Updated:

- Updated FC's massive 300 player list
- Added hockeyprospects.com

The latter really messed with some averages to be honest.

Link is below and in the sticky

https://www.calgarypuck.com/wp-conte...-Consensus.pdf

Well, at least we have a consensus list that all teams will likely follow!

Great work Bingo. Will have it close at hand to watch people freak out when the Flames don't take the BPA from the list!

Hackey · 07-08-2021, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icarus

Yeah I think Jankowski turned out quite well for a player drafted out of a Canadian HS prep programme, not exactly an NHL factory.

It's the draft capital that was used on him that on retrospect stings. Clearly the Flames didn't think they could hold out until a later round and still snag him and we'll never know if they were right.

But I think back to the draft year when both Patrice Bergeron and Brent Burns were selected in the first round, and neither player featured in any of the media draft lists going in. They both seemed like total reaches and headscratchers, at least for those of us reading the draft magazines and surfing the web.

Obviously the BOS and MIN drafting teams felt otherwise and weren't prepared to hold out for a later round, much like the Flames with Jankowski. But they both sure hit the nail on the head. (Especially impressive that Burns was drafted as a forward and hadn't played D for years but the Wild planned to develop him as a blueliner from Day 1.)

Bergeron was drafted in the 2nd round.

Hackey · 07-08-2021, 05:46 PM

I'm not a fan of drafting a goalie in the 1st round but realistically if he's around where the Flames pick it's probably a decent gamble. The odds of getting a top line forward or dman is probably far less. Maybe the odds of drafting an NHL player at 12 is better but if you want to take a swing at a true impact player the goalie probably is the best odds.

ForeverFlameFan · 07-08-2021, 06:23 PM

I’m starting to warm up to Wallstedt as our pick if there aren’t any fallers in the top 10.

icarus · 07-08-2021, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hackey

Bergeron was drafted in the 2nd round.

My mistake, 45th overall.

I guess that means he was less of a reach but he still wasn't a name that could be found in most of that year's publicly available draft guides. The point being that a team's list could be wildly different from anything regarded as consensus or conventional, and still get it right.

stemit14 · 07-08-2021, 09:34 PM

This is a very tough draft due to how the last year has affected the development of young players. I have this feeling that from the guys picked from 11 to 20, there will only be one guy that turns into a NHL contributor and the rest will become busts. It’s hard to know which one is the guy. I also feel like there will be a lot of busts in this draft and the best player will either be one of the goalies or be a guy taken in the 3rd round.

A great example of this confusing draft is Sillinger vs Coronato. Why is Sillinger usually ranked higher than Coronato considering the season coronato had in the USHL compared to Sillinger? Is it just because of the powerhouse team that Coronato played for? When I read descriptions and watch highlights, coronato seems like the better player but Sillinger is the more highly touted prospect. Why? Honestly would love a more knowledgeable comparison of the two. Can’t shake the feeling that coronato is going to be the yamamoto/Debrincat type player to come out of this draft - a guy that’s picked outside the top 20 but turns into a top six forward in the NHL pretty quickly.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sandman · 07-09-2021, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stemit14

This is a very tough draft due to how the last year has affected the development of young players. I have this feeling that from the guys picked from 11 to 20, there will only be one guy that turns into a NHL contributor and the rest will become busts. It’s hard to know which one is the guy. I also feel like there will be a lot of busts in this draft and the best player will either be one of the goalies or be a guy taken in the 3rd round.

A great example of this confusing draft is Sillinger vs Coronato. Why is Sillinger usually ranked higher than Coronato considering the season coronato had in the USHL compared to Sillinger? Is it just because of the powerhouse team that Coronato played for? When I read descriptions and watch highlights, coronato seems like the better player but Sillinger is the more highly touted prospect. Why? Honestly would love a more knowledgeable comparison of the two. Can’t shake the feeling that coronato is going to be the yamamoto/Debrincat type player to come out of this draft - a guy that’s picked outside the top 20 but turns into a top six forward in the NHL pretty quickly.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sillinger played for the second-worst team in the USHL, with the 4th worst GF. Coronato's team was first place by 17 points, won the Championship, and 4 of the top-5 scorers in the league (including Coronato) were on his team. Sillinger's 1.48 p/gp were more than twice as much as the next player on his team, and he still finished top-10 in goal-scoring-despite missing 20 games. Sillinger also put up 53pts in 48 games in 2019-20, in the WHL-losing the Rookie of the Year title to Dylan Guenther, who had a lower p/gp. Sillinger's 1.10 p/gp is one of the best D-1 years in the WHL in the last 30 years-he would've had massive numbers if he played in the 'Dub this year.

Sillinger is bigger, much more effective physically, and has a better shot. The only category Coronato beats him in is skating.

Tkachukwagon · 07-09-2021, 06:56 AM

If we take a goalie this year, I hope it is deeper in the draft (similar to where we drafted Wolf). Outside Wallstedt and Cossa, Ben Gaudreau is ranked in the mid second round then there is a drop off. There are two huge goalies toward the back of the draft in Joe Vrbetic (6’6) and Taylor Boyko (6’8) that we could target in the 6th / 7th round.

stemit14 · 07-09-2021, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman

Sillinger played for the second-worst team in the USHL, with the 4th worst GF. Coronato's team was first place by 17 points, won the Championship, and 4 of the top-5 scorers in the league (including Coronato) were on his team. Sillinger's 1.48 p/gp were more than twice as much as the next player on his team, and he still finished top-10 in goal-scoring-despite missing 20 games. Sillinger also put up 53pts in 48 games in 2019-20, in the WHL-losing the Rookie of the Year title to Dylan Guenther, who had a lower p/gp. Sillinger's 1.10 p/gp is one of the best D-1 years in the WHL in the last 30 years-he would've had massive numbers if he played in the 'Dub this year.

Sillinger is bigger, much more effective physically, and has a better shot. The only category Coronato beats him in is skating.

Thanks. That helps clarify the difference in in rankings for those two. Would still be happy with either player.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

shutout · 07-09-2021, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

If we take a goalie this year, I hope it is deeper in the draft (similar to where we drafted Wolf). Outside Wallstedt and Cossa, Ben Gaudreau is ranked in the mid second round then there is a drop off. There are two huge goalies toward the back of the draft in Joe Vrbetic (6’6) and Taylor Boyko (6’8) that we could target in the 6th / 7th round.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...emyon-vyazovoy

Semyon Vyazovoy is my seventh round goaltender choice.
Puts up amazing save percentage numbers at every age and in every level he plays. Lets us have a long runway for development.

Tkachukwagon · 07-09-2021, 10:03 AM

Byron Bader released his first round ranking yesterday (apologies if this was already posted). Some interesting ranking, with Brandt Clarke #1 and Zellweger / Pastujov in the Flames selection.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1413150099539042307

FlamesAddiction · 07-09-2021, 10:09 AM

Connor Roulette at #32 sounds like a gamble.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 10:18 AM

That might be the wackiest list I've seen.

Tkachukwagon · 07-09-2021, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That might be the wackiest list I've seen.

Red Savage at 17 is a stretch. I don’t think I’ve seen him ranked first round anywhere.

dissentowner · 07-09-2021, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Red Savage at 17 is a stretch. I don’t think I’ve seen him ranked first round anywhere.

Awesome name though

FlamesAddiction · 07-09-2021, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Red Savage at 17 is a stretch. I don’t think I’ve seen him ranked first round anywhere.

Or L'Heureaux at #16.

Granted, I have little to no first hand knowledge and haven't done a lot of searching on most of these players, but just based on talk around the net.

ForeverFlameFan · 07-09-2021, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Or L'Heureaux at #16.

Granted, I have little to no first hand knowledge and haven't done a lot of searching on most of these players, but just based on talk around the net.

L’Heureux at 16 isn’t a stretch by any means. I suppose it is if you think he’s a 2nd rounder. I think he will be an early 20’s pick. If we were to trade down, he would be my guy. Whoever picks him will be one happy camper. I think Detroit picks him at 23.

Monahammer · 07-09-2021, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Or L'Heureaux at #16.

Granted, I have little to no first hand knowledge and haven't done a lot of searching on most of these players, but just based on talk around the net.

MacKenzie had l'heureux quite high too.

Textcritic · 07-09-2021, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stemit14

Can’t shake the feeling that coronato is going to be the yamamoto/Debrincat type player to come out of this draft - a guy that’s picked outside the top 20 but turns into a top six forward in the NHL pretty quickly.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yamamoto? Is he even a top-six forward? He sure didn't look like it this last year, and that was with a generous sampling of time playing with supposedly one of the best centres in the League.

He's a fine player for where Edmonton selected him, but Kailer Yamamoto is not a home run by any stretch of the imagination.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk