Alberta Politics Thread

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Hey everybody, I know a magic trick. I can make Tinordi dissapear. Just let me know when.

All I have to do is post this over and over:


Tinordi can you pleeeeease answer one question. I've asked you before and you go into hiding.

Canada co2 emissions: 2% of the world total
China co2 emissions: 24% of the world total
US co2 emissions: 15% of the world total

You're saying we in Canada need to completely alter our lifestyle for 2%?

Have you done anything to focus on the real problem? 155 new approved coal fired power plants burning cheap coal in china according to greenpeace?

In fairness, I think per capita carbon emissions is a much better indication of where the efforts should be made to reduce carbon emissions? We are more than double China per capita.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not sure it would take much to accomplish more, but what would that list of accomplishments look like?

Among her accomplishments, you can add taking food right out of the mouths of the poor and needy.

Carbon Tax will cost the Calgary Food Bank $21,000 this year and $31,000 next.

[CaptainCrunch]

Pushed through Bill 6

Pushed through the carbon tax

Hired some more union insiders with a NDP world view

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

In fairness, I think per capita carbon emissions is a much better indication of where the efforts should be made to reduce carbon emissions? We are more than double China per capita.

Of course we are, how many Chinese people don't have modern anything or own a car, or live a purely simple agrarian life style?

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Of course we are, how many Chinese people don't have modern anything or own a car, or live a purely simple agrarian life style?

Yeah, I just find it disingenuous to argue that doing anything to curb our emissions is like a drop in the worldwide bucket. We're big emitters, shouldn't be trivialized imo.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Among her accomplishments, you can add taking food right out of the mouths of the poor and needy.

Carbon Tax will cost the Calgary Food Bank $21,000 this year and $31,000 next.

umm Holy Crap. BTW I loved this part of her Notley Crowing about this Carbon tax.

Notley says a number of amendments to Bill 20 were turned down because her government felt they had a well-crafted piece of legislation.

Well now Rachel you look like an idiot. On top of it the Carbon Tax will make made in Alberta products less competitive against products and especially food that is coming in from out of province and are covered by exemptions.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

In fairness, I think per capita carbon emissions is a much better indication of where the efforts should be made to reduce carbon emissions? We are more than double China per capita.

The environment does not exist on a per capita basis.

We have a finite amount of of atmosphere, etc., and pretending 35 million people are doing more damage than 2 billion is politically motivated idiocy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm just intuitively reacting to that, but wouldn't it be more like 1%?

If the 2% number is correct, I still don't think it's actually possible to eliminate Canada's co2 emissions entirely. At best, using every conceivable efficiency measure, if we did everything we possibly could to bring emissions down, would it get below 1%?

If we are talking percentages, it's easy to reduce ours. Just wait for China and India to increase their emissions, and our percentages drop. Magic!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Yeah, I just find it disingenuous to argue that doing anything to curb our emissions is like a drop in the worldwide bucket. We're big emitters, shouldn't be trivialized imo.

Who in the blue hell says we're not doing anything? Even before Rachel and her crew of merry morons got into power there were discussions and actions based around reducing emissions and cleaning up things like the processes used in Oil Sands.

And as much as its not true, putting in a carbon tax designed as it is by the NDP government has little to nothing to do with emissions reduction, and everything to do with grabbing revenue that the NDP can sock in general revenue and piss away.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The environment does not exist on a per capita basis.

We have a finite amount of of atmosphere, etc., and pretending 35 million people are doing more damage than 2 billion is politically motivated idiocy.

Yeah, but I understand why China et al argue per capita, while the developed world aside from the US argues gross at the climate change summits. Either way, both are facetious arguments that hide political and competitive motivations.

[CaptainYooh]

Just love this cartoon. It surprises me how many people take the "carbon" part of the tax name as environmentally-relevant. Who's kidding who here?

[AltaGuy]

Still wish we had a PST with a smart rebate system. Ah well.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

In fairness, I think per capita carbon emissions is a much better indication of where the efforts should be made to reduce carbon emissions? We are more than double China per capita.

Why not just ban contraception in Canada then? Surely increasing our population would be good for the environment given that per capita emissions is whats important.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Among her accomplishments, you can add taking food right out of the mouths of the poor and needy.

Carbon Tax will cost the Calgary Food Bank $21,000 this year and $31,000 next.

The NDP’s carbon tax will cost the Calgary Food Bank an extra $21,000 to dispose of expired food come January, according the organization’s president and CEO.
As the government passed its climate-change legislation by a margin of 42-29 on Tuesday, the NDP defeated a Wildrose’s amendment that would have mandated a rebate for all registered charities that will see costs rise.

I do not understand defeating that proposed amendment.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I do not understand defeating that proposed amendment.

Well, to borrow an argument NDP supporters made last week when Fildebrandt trashed Wynne...

The NDP probably defeated the amendment because it was proposed by the Wildrose.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

In fairness, I think per capita carbon emissions is a much better indication of where the efforts should be made to reduce carbon emissions? We are more than double China per capita.

ok per capita then.

Per capita we are 14th on the list ahead of countries like Austrailia, US, Saudi Arabia. None of which takes into account us being in a cold weather climate or the amount of forests we have compared to other countries. It doesn't take into account how sparse are population is and the distances required for transport.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Among her accomplishments, you can add taking food right out of the mouths of the poor and needy.

Carbon Tax will cost the Calgary Food Bank $21,000 this year and $31,000 next.

It's way beyond that. Increasing heating, electricity, gas, alchohol will have much more of a cost to the low income than it will the rich. If the rich have to pay an extra $200 a month in costs they won't notice but someone living month to month will.

Increased minimum wage will reduce work hours for people that low income is suppose to help. That won't affect the rich either.

The ndp is all about wealth redistribution to the poor but will likely end up costing them. That's too bad since it's a big chunk of their voter base.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bootsy

I'd say Canada's co2 emissions are closer to being less than 1% than 2% so it's even less significant than these "official "graphs lead you to believe. They compile the data from individual country's government measurements / calculations and Canada and specifically Alberta's are among the most stringent and honest in the world.
The amount of flaring that goes on unmeasured in certain parts of the world would get your facility shut in here in Alberta..... And it has been this way long before the NDP's took power.
Attached is a link on the sulfur dioxide emissions they are finding not reported in certain parts of the world . Unmeasured co2 in these places and the US is even more common only they don't have the tech to identify these yet and thus rely on government reporting to create these graphs, which means they are basically garbage since the raw data is completly unreliable.
Also attached a link of how they get Co2 measurements

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/technolo...tion-1.3610537


http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/technolo...ases-1.3340162

It seems Canada is just being punished for proper reporting standards. It sure would be nice if everyone had the same standards instead of numerous other countries not reporting or fudging things to make themselves look better. Maybe it is time to give countries credit for being honest and open. China probably doesn't report almost the same amount of Co2 that Canada actually produces.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The environment does not exist on a per capita basis.

We have a finite amount of of atmosphere, etc., and pretending 35 million people are doing more damage than 2 billion is politically motivated idiocy.

Who says Canada is doing more damage than China or India?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Who says Canada is doing more damage than China or India?

Anyone who argues on a per capita basis.