The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[GGG]

Deaths by pitbull isn't a good statistic to pull. Its bites and damage that are more concerning.

The problem with pitbulls is that the damage they can do when they do go off. The rat sized dogs create puncture wounds the pitbulls tear off half a face.

So its the automatic weapon vs rifle situation.

I think owners should have the potential to be criminally responsible for the actions of their dogs.

Having a large, poorly secured, untrained dog is negligent.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by GGG

Deaths by pitbull isn't a good statistic to pull. Its bites and damage that are more concerning.

The problem with pitbulls is that the damage they can do when they do go off. The rat sized dogs create puncture wounds the pitbulls tear off half a face.

So its the automatic weapon vs rifle situation.

I think owners should have the potential to be criminally responsible for the actions of their dogs.

Having a large, poorly secured, untrained dog is negligent.

This. Prosecute the ####ty owners to the full extent of the law.

[Thor]

Small dog breeds are often the most aggressive, usually because the stupid owners treat them like they are harmless little plush toys. I've been bitten 2 times in my life, both times by little ####### dogs.

Maybe people should have to get a license to get a dog, which includes courses on raising them and how to be a good pet owner. Certainly if you have a bigger breed, but all people even ones with little dogs should be forced to learn how to raise a dog.

I can't tell you how many women I know have little tiny dogs who they think are the cutest things in the world, have done no proper raising of them and they run around like they own the place (dominant) and are aggressive as all hell.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, my exposure to pitbull breeds has been mostly in my childhood with our neighbors who had 2 amazing dogs, and one here in Iceland a friend of mine has.

I'm a golden retriever man myself, love the breed, but even that breed has violent attacks.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Thor

Small dog breeds are often the most aggressive, usually because the stupid owners treat them like they are harmless little plush toys. I've been bitten 2 times in my life, both times by little ####### dogs.

But I'm assuming those dogs didn't kill you in their encounters, would that be correct?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Thor

Then you support banning German Sheppards, Rotweilers, Labradors as well?

Death by a real dog- 1 in 116,448.
Death by a hot dog- 1 in 3,375.

Deaths are horrific, all animal attacks are, but are we not overreacting here just a tad?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steffe...b_8112394.html

We're not over reacting because there is no down side to banning pit bulls.
It's a fairly pointless breed in every respect, they aren't a good guard dog nor are they bright, they were bred by Victorians and before as a dog to put into an arena with other dogs or large animals to bet on, their one historic trait is aggression and fighting ability.

If they disappear there is no downside, we don't need a fighting dog anymore.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But I'm assuming those dogs didn't kill you in their encounters, would that be correct?

Just made me dead inside.

[nik-]

If you argue for gun control, then a pitbull ban should be simple.

"I like guns" "I like Pitbulls"

Except, even as someone who is for gun control, guns are way easier to defend to keep than Pitbulls.

[Thor]

So because one out of 115,000 approx die from dog attacks every year (of 78 million dogs owned in the US,) we should take action? Is there not a serious overreaction here?

[nik-]

What's the overreaction?

Stop selling and breeding a useless breed that, regardless of whether it's the owner's fault or not, has proven pretty dangerous.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Thor

So because one out of 115,000 approx die from dog attacks every year, we should take action? Is there not a serious overreaction here?

It's not just deaths, it's a combination of the attacks and the literal no downside to banning the breed. We have plenty of other dogs to choose from, if every pitbull cross disappeared tommorow it would have no effect on anyone's life anywhere in the world.

[WCan_Kid]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It's not just deaths, it's a combination of the attacks and the literal no downside to banning the breed. We have plenty of other dogs to choose from, if every pitbull cross disappeared tommorow it would have no effect on anyone's life anywhere in the world.

Exactly, because a pitbull ban would just mean that the terrible owners would move on to something else. Lots of dogs are just as dangerous, if not more so, than pits, so banning that particular breed wouldn't change a thing.

[Thor]

So have Rottweilers and German Shepards. I'm assuming those 2 should be included?

Would you allow current owners to keep their dogs, and ban all future sales of these top say 5 large dog breeds which are the bulk of attacks resulting in deaths?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It's not just deaths, it's a combination of the attacks and the literal no downside to banning the breed. We have plenty of other dogs to choose from, if every pitbull cross disappeared tommorow it would have no effect on anyone's life anywhere in the world.

For me, the question about a ban is, won't the a-holes that currently train (or don't) their pitbulls like attack animals just end up picking another breed? And we'll get a whole generation of Shepherds or Doberman's the become the most common attack dogs?

[MRCboicgy]

So when I was visiting my friends in Austin this past spring, I noticed a lot of their neightbours had pitbulls, they said there were about a dozen in their townhouse complex alone. People let them run loose in the off-leash and a few came up to us as we walked.

Really changed my opinion about them, as they were super sweet and playful, and just nice dogs all around. I think it's all about the owners, as the owners seemed like regular folks, no excess bro-ish or thug-ish looks - just hipster Austinites.

But it seems the average American is a more knowlegeable dog owner than the average Canadian - maybe just due to the sheer volume of dog owners down there.

How's that for broad sweeping strokes and generalizations?

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Thor

Then you support banning German Sheppards, Rotweilers, Labradors as well?

Death by a real dog- 1 in 116,448.
Death by a hot dog- 1 in 3,375.

Deaths are horrific, all animal attacks are, but are we not overreacting here just a tad?

Yes, I would support banning those breeds as well.

And great comparison stat -- death by animal attack versus death by choking.

A better comparison would be death by domestic cat. Of which, when I Google, can find no reported cases, and is not even carried as a statistic.

So, would we rather have no deaths from dogs by banning these stupid breeds, or be talking about an innocent person dying a horrible death every few months? Pretty easy decision if you ask me.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MattyC

For me, the question about a ban is, won't the a-holes that currently train (or don't) their pitbulls like attack animals just end up picking another breed? And we'll get a whole generation of Shepherds or Doberman's the become the most common attack dogs?

They might.

You don't ignore a problem because another problem has the potential of arising.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

They might.

You don't ignore a problem because another problem has the potential of arising.

But hasn't it always been a problem?

I remember as a kid it was Dobermans and Rottweilers that you had to be careful of. Was there a ban put on them? Honestly I don't know as I was quite young, but I never hear about them anymore (Doberman's at least, I've only seen one since owning a dog). It seems to me that all the exposure of dog-fighting really ramped up the pitbull ownership. I don't ever remember hearing boo about them when I was younger.

[PepsiFree]

I'd be all for banning pit bulls. I'd also being all for banning all dogs. And all pet ownership. Because pets are gross and dumb.

But sure, why not ban pit bulls? Are they providing a particular service that other, less-capable-of-severe-damage dogs don't? I've honestly never seen a single defence of dangerous dog ownership that is more than "but I like them!"

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

SReally changed my opinion about them, as they were super sweet and playful, and just nice dogs all around. I think it's all about the owners, as the owners seemed like regular folks, no excess bro-ish or thug-ish looks - just hipster Austinites.

It's not just about the owners though, as has been demonstrated a number of times. A supposedly sweet, innocent, playful dog snaps and kills/attacks another dog or person. A friend of mine who lives in Revelstoke had a pit bull come into her yard where her older dog & son were playing and it attacked her dog. Luckily, my buddy was there visiting and after about a 10 minute struggle, literally punching this dog in the face & head with all his strength, managed to chase it off. This is a big, fit guy and the dog wasn't even phased by his blows. This dogs owner was also a 'hipster', not a douchy bro type, and was adamant that the dog had never attacked anyone before. Like in my previous story, this is a dog who had zero history, a great owner (supposedly) and it still attacked.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yes, I would support banning those breeds as well.

And great comparison stat -- death by animal attack versus death by choking.

A better comparison would be death by domestic cat. Of which, when I Google, can find no reported cases, and is not even carried as a statistic.

So, would we rather have no deaths from dogs by banning these stupid breeds, or be talking about an innocent person dying a horrible death every few months? Pretty easy decision if you ask me.

Cats are evil and should be banned, they kill millions of animals, birds, small animals. Then again these loud ass chirping birds outside my window in the summer here in Iceland is driving me crazy, maybe I should just get a cat.