Most misquoted quotes...

[Biff]

With a special nod to our friends to the south....

Say these four words....Booth, Tooth, aloof, roof. They all should sound the same. If we wanted roof to sound different, we'd have spelled it roeuf.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread isn't about the Italian language. I'm pretty sure we're talking about the English language in this thread.

If you would like to start a thread about the differences in foreign languages, I'm sure very few would have a problem with it.

What you're doing would be similar to someone coming in here and stating that we all pronounce "Germany" wrong, it's "Deutscland"

It's a borrowed word, hence, you pronounce it the way it's pronounced in the language it belongs to. If you want to say it in english, call it bread with oil, basil, and some other ####.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread isn't about the Italian language. I'm pretty sure we're talking about the English language in this thread.

If you would like to start a thread about the differences in foreign languages, I'm sure very few would have a problem with it.

What you're doing would be similar to someone coming in here and stating that we all pronounce "Germany" wrong, it's "Deutscland"

Have you seriously never pronounced a word in its native fashion?

Do you call it spa-getti with a soft G? Do you pronounce crepes as creeps? Bordeaux as bor-ducks?

Champagne, foie gras, Bordeaux, creme brulee, schnapps, gnocchi, fajitas, tortillas etc. Do you pronounce all of those wrong too because you speak English, not Italian, French, Spanish or German?

[GGG]

It drives me nuts when people ask for your John Henry when they want a signiture. They really mean John Handcock who had the giant signiture on the declaration of independance.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Have you seriously never pronounced a word in its native fashion?

Do you call it spa-getti with a soft G? Do you pronounce crepes as creeps? Bordeaux as bor-ducks?

Champagne, foie gras, Bordeaux, creme brulee, schnapps, gnocchi. Do you pronounce all of those wrong too because you speak English, not Italian, French or German?

I could go on.

I speak English, so whenever possible I try to pronounce words correctly in English.
If I were to go to Italy, I would try to learn as much Italian as possible and then speak Italian there.

How do I pronounce some of those words? (click the listen button)
crepe:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crepe

Campagne:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1291952818


Do you guys correct people who pronounce Mexico sounding out the X, stating that it should be pronounced Meh-He-Co?
No, I seriously doubt you do.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Also, 'Literally'

' That is like, literally, the biggest house evar'

You just typed one which irks me, and I believe you did it on purpose, the overuse of "like". Unless you are saying that house is similar to the biggest one you've seen, you don't need to say it. It seems to be a connecting word for the Millennial Generation. "I, like, went to the the movie and I like, got a large popcorn, and the chic like, asked, if like, I wanted butter?"

The one which drives me absolutely mental though is "seen".

"I seen that movie last week."

No, no, no! "I saw that movie last week" or "I have seen that movie before" is correct. The incorrect use of seen immediately makes the speaker seem stupid.

[Seachd]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread isn't about the Italian language. I'm pretty sure we're talking about the English language in this thread.

If you would like to start a thread about the differences in foreign languages, I'm sure very few would have a problem with it.

What you're doing would be similar to someone coming in here and stating that we all pronounce "Germany" wrong, it's "Deutscland"

You're absolutely correct.

Some people seem to get offended when words that come into English take a more "English" pronunciation. It's what happens.

Same type of situation with European hockey players when they come over to North America.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

I speak English, so whenever possible I try to pronounce words correctly in English.
If I were to go to Italy, I would try to learn as much Italian as possible and then speak Italian there.

How do I pronounce some of those words? (click the listen button)
crepe:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crepe

Campagne:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1291952818


Do you guys correct people who pronounce Mexico sounding out the X, stating that it should be pronounced Meh-He-Co?
No, I seriously doubt you do.

So you pronounce it chicken fagita instead of fahita? Pretty sure I didn't learn Spanish nor have I ever been to Mexico. That's just the proper way to say it. English, Spanish whatever. Do people frequently laugh when you intentionally mispronounce words because you pronounce everything the English way whenever possible?

[Seachd]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Have you seriously never pronounced a word in its native fashion?

Do you call it spa-getti with a soft G? Do you pronounce crepes as creeps? Bordeaux as bor-ducks?

Champagne, foie gras, Bordeaux, creme brulee, schnapps, gnocchi, fajitas, tortillas etc. Do you pronounce all of those wrong too because you speak English, not Italian, French, Spanish or German?

When speaking English, do you pronounce "spaghetti" with the double t? I doubt it. No one does.

When you say "creme brulee", do you use the French r? I'm willing to bet you don't.

So you're not saying these words in their "native fashion".

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Seachd

When speaking English, do you pronounce "spaghetti" with the double t? I doubt it. No one does.

When you say "creme brulee", do you use the French r? I'm willing to bet you don't.

So you're not saying these words in their "native fashion".

No I call it cream brou-lee instead of krem bru-lay and I follow that up with a glass of bor-ducks wine and a chicken fa-gita.

That's how ass backwards I am. I eat my dessert first and my entree (pronounced ent-tree not aunt-tray) last.

[Seachd]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No I call it cream brou-lee instead of bru-lay and I follow that up with a glass of bor-ducks wine and a chicken fa-gita.

Alright.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So you pronounce it chicken fagita instead of fahita? Pretty sure I didn't learn Spanish nor have I ever been to Mexico. That's just the proper way to say it. English, Spanish whatever. Do people frequently laugh when you intentionally mispronounce words because you pronounce everything the English way whenever possible?

What? Who says Fagita?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fajita
(click listen to hear the correct English pronunciation)

Are you ESL?

Some words when they get changed for English use keep the same spelling but change pronunciation (Brushcetta, Mexico). Some change both (As in my Germany/Deutchsland example) . And some don't change (fajita).
I really don't think this is that hard to understand.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I find many people say nucular instead of nuclear.

Reminds me of the good old As-phalt vs Ash-phalt.

Oh, and another generational thing. I frequently here Tortilla pronounced as tor-tilla by the 60+ crowd instead for torteeya.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

What? Who says Fagita?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fajita
(click listen to hear the correct English pronunciation)

Are you ESL?

Some words when they get changed for English use keep the same spelling but change pronunciation (Brushcetta, Mexico). Some change both (As in my Germany/Deutchsland example) . And some don't change (fajita).
I really don't think this is that hard to understand.

Might wanna read a little closer before you resort to personal attacks. Stay classy.

You said you pronounce words the English way. The English way to pronounce fajita is fa-gee-tah (or fa-gye-tah) not fa-he-tah. But unless you're in esl I doubt you say fa-gee-tah.

And just because you and a bunch of other people get bruschetta wrong doesn't mean you're right.

[FanIn80]

People who intentionally force non-English words into English pronunciations irk me.

It's "brusketta." "Brushetta" makes you look like a tard. Actually it makes you look ignorant, but also like a tard.

[Temporary_User]

Can you point me to a source that shows fajita is pronounced fa-ge-ta?
The source I provided (Merrian Webster a very reputable dictionary) has it has fa-he-tah.

Also what are you talking about with personal attacks? I didn't make one.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And just because you and a bunch of other people get bruschetta wrong doesn't mean you're right.

I'm not wrong, and have provided many sources illustrating how I'm not (you have only provided one source, Wikipedia, and was referring to Italian, not English).
This one is actually, in a little more of a gray (grey if you prefer), area. The English language is a flexible language. Words often change over time.
For example off the top of my head, the word "gay" has changed quite a bit over time. It used to have a meaning more like happy, it now stands for homosexual, and appears to slowly be evolving into meaning something more like lame.

[burnin_vernon]

I don't know if this is a grammar thread or not anymore but I need clarity on this. "One of the best films I ever saw."

Is that correct? If it was my review I'd say "...films I've ever seen".

Zoom in on photo.

[Yasa]

I have to side with Cecil on this one. Bruschetta is not an English word, therefore there is no "English" pronunciation for it. There's simply the Italian way.

The reason why English don't use the French "r" and other such things is due to our accent (or lack thereof.)

As for misquoted phrases; "Houston, we have a problem," is incorrect. The real quote is "Houston, we've had a problem." BAM!

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

I don't know if this is a grammar thread or not anymore but I need clarity on this. "The best movie I ever saw."

Is that correct? If it was my review I'd say "best movie I've ever seen".

Zoom in on photo.

The way you said it is right. The way it is on that movie poster makes me want to stab myself in the eye.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Can you point me to a source that shows fajita is pronounced fa-ge-ta?
The source I provided (Merrian Webster a very reputable dictionary) has it has fa-he-tah.

Also what are you talking about with personal attacks? I didn't make one.


I'm not wrong, and have provided many sources illustrating how I'm not.
This one is actually, in a little more of a gray (grey if you prefer), area. The English language is a flexible language. Words often change over time.
For example off the top of my head, the word "gay" has changed quite a bit over time. It used to have a meaning more like happy, it now stands for homosexual, and appears to slowly be evolving into meaning something more like lame.

Saying someone is in ESL isn't an insult? Whatever you say.


You said, and I quote, "I speak English, so whenever possible I try to pronounce words correctly in English. "

Well that is the case, you'd know a J is typically not silent. It makes a guh (soft g) sound. And you'd probably pronounce it fagita. Far as I can tell the only silent uses are borrowed or adapted words. Almost as if we adjust the way we normally pronounce a letter (or collection of letters) to fit the source from which it came to the English language...sort of like saying "ch" differently when saying bruschetta.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfo...yperforeignism

The word bruschetta, particularly in American English is commonly rendered as /bruːˈʃɛtə/ with an English 'sh' sound, probably as a result of Americans' familiarity with words and surnames of German origin containing 'sch', which would be pronounced this way. An approximation more reflective of Italian phonology would be /bruːˈskɛtə/ and the authentic pronunciation in Italian is [brusˈketta]. A similar problem afflicts the brand name Freschetta, which is routinely pronounced with the 'sh' sound in commercials. The Italian astronomer's name Schiaparelli is also liable to this mispronunciation.

(emphasis added)

Most people pronounce lingerie wrong too. Even I didn't know that.

The "Queen of the hyperforeignisms" is the word lingerie.[14] Speakers of American English typically pronounce this /lɑːnʒərˈreɪ/, excessively depressing the first vowel of the French [lɛ̃ʒəʁi] to sound more like a "typical" French nasal vowel, and rhyming the final syllable with English ray, by analogy with the many French loanwords ending in -é, -er, -et, and -ez.