So about Glenn Beck's little 'Restoring America' Rally...

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Azure

To me, I don't see him as damaging as others do. IMO, the belief that one side is better than the other is far more damaging than anything Beck says simply because it doesn't result in anything being fixed.

Now, I don't know how Beck talks about the Republicans, but I would imagine a lot of his 'ratings' right now are due to the Democrats/Obama being in charge.

Either way, people are frustrated. And they have the right to be.

yes I agree, the us vs them political game just drives everybody furhter apart.

At this pace I can see an america ,in the future ,with increased states rights and acting more independant of each other. Perhaps even regions of states.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Would things be a whole lot better if McCain had won?

Is that the rhetoric you're left with when its evident that the Democrats have screwed the pooch too?

But, to answer your question, no it wouldn't have. I don't think he would have do anything different from Obama to dig down and start fixing actual problems. Of course, the 'I want to reform health care but not really that bad' version of Obamacare wouldn't have existed.

McCain is also a big believer in big government policies though.

Last week, John McCain introduced a bill into the U.S. Senate which, if passed, would actually allow U.S. citizens to be arrested and detained indefinitely, all without Miranda rights or ever being charged with a crime.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative...d-indefinitely

How screwed up is that?

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Azure

Debatable whether or not they died due to mismanagement, or whether it was due to not receiving the ratings.



BTW, there are still left-wing shows out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_talk_radio

Nothing compared to Hannity or Rush though.

From your own link:

Currently, there are fewer than 100 U.S. commercial radio stations carrying liberal talk programs, compared to around 600 stations for Rush Limbaugh, 500 for Sean Hannity etcetera.

I stand by my statement that there is little appetite for brow beaters on the left in the U.S.. Certainly not as much as on the right.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

yes I agree, the us vs them political game just drives everybody furhter apart.

At this pace I can see an america ,in the future ,with increased states rights and acting more independant of each other. Perhaps even regions of states.

Which is what the US should have been like from the start.

Its just too bad that it took them that long to start looking at their neighbor to the north and how we run things here.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

From your own link:

I stand by my statement that there is little appetite for brow beaters on the left in the U.S.. Certainly not as much as on the right.

Sean Hannity and Rush are not militia loving rise up against the government and burn Washington down type of right-wing extremists.

They're 'I love the Republicans, and hate the Democrats' type of people commentators that thrive when the Democrats are in office because the American people don't realize that their two-party system is actually a one-party system where both parties have the same results.

That being said, there is a bigger love for right-wing talk radio. That much is obvious. I just don't see it as damaging as some others on here.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which is what the US should have been like from the start.

Its just too bad that it took them that long to start looking at their neighbor to the north and how we run things here.

Yup the american arrogance sometimes is fustrating.

They always look for an "american solution". What is so dam hard with looking at places that are doing well in certain issues and copying that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Ironically, Martin Luther King's niece is a conservative and is going to be there in support of Glenn Beck.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by HOZ

So should we censor him then?

Huh? I didn't suggest censoring him. You asked how a public radio/TV could cause damage to the populace, I merely answered your question.

[tjinaz]

Yup the american arrogance sometimes is fustrating.

They always look for an "american solution". What is so dam hard with looking at places that are doing well in certain issues and copying that.

Its just too bad that it took them that long to start looking at their neighbor to the north and how we run things here.

When Canada becomes the pre eminent power on earth, then maybe people will look. If you looks at any of the nations that have become empire (England, France, Rome, China, Greece) they are all like America. If they are not fighting someone else they fight themselves. It is always in a constant state of struggle where new ideas come up and either flourish or die. It is sometimes not pretty to behold but the results don't lie. It is the dynamic nature and the ability to have a somewhat peaceful revolution that renews the people and the government.

One more question ... who is the oldest living democracy on earth?

[SeeBass]

^^^^I dont mean just Canada but any place on earth that does something better should be looked at but when you are the big boy on the block its their arrogance that always brings them down.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

^^^^I dont mean just Canada but any place on earth that does something better should be looked at but when you are the big boy on the block its their arrogance that always brings them down.

Canada has the same problem at times, especially when it comes to health care and refusing to look at another option because naive people are afraid that if we go to a more European style health care we'll somehow end up like the Americans.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, no such thing as left-wing terrorism. No such things as whackos on the left-wing. No such thing as left-wing militias.

Sure, there are plenty of nut-jobs to go around. Difference is, we are talking about wackos that are celebrities with national daily talk-shows. Not fringe dwellers. Apples and oranges.

Since the paper bag strengthens arguments, I'm going to double-bag this one, and tag it with a wink!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by troutman

Sure, there are plenty of nut-jobs to go around. Difference is, we are talking about wackos that are celebrities with national daily talk-shows. Not fringe dwellers. Apples and oranges.

Since the paper bag strengthens arguments, I'm going to double-bag this one, and tag it with a wink!

The assertion was that left-wing groups don't threaten the government like right-wing groups do. With violence and such.

And yet that has happened many times before.

But if you want to talk about wackos who talk to much, yes the right-wing is a lot more prominent right now.

[tjinaz]

has everyone forgotten the 60s?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather...rganization%29

they were even in a Dylan song....

"Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...."

[peter12]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

has everyone forgotten the 60s?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather...rganization%29

they were even in a Dylan song....

"Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...."

No, they took their name from the Dylan song.

[tjinaz]

I thought they predated the song.

[afc wimbledon]

The weathermen were about as dangerous as the Squamish 5, now Oklahoma, that was a bomb!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Would things be a whole lot better if McCain had won?

Thats the thing.

It doesn't matter who was elected, the economy was so buggered up that there was no way anyone could instantly fix it and make everyone happy. People can rant and rave about how Obama messed up this or screwed up that but if it was McCain in office it would just be a different set of things that were messed up.

Long term, you could claim that one person might have done better job, but in less than 2 years no one was going to turn things around 100%.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Thats the thing.

It doesn't matter who was elected, the economy was so buggered up that there was no way anyone could instantly fix it and make everyone happy. People can rant and rave about how Obama messed up this or screwed up that but if it was McCain in office it would just be a different set of things that were messed up.

Long term, you could claim that one person might have done better job, but in less than 2 years no one was going to turn things around 100%.

It matters not in the long term either, the US only has party and it was bought by third party interests long ago, the voters are really only choosing between which side of the truck the goverment shovels money off of.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Table 5

You must be quite the guy if you don't think people deserve basic health care or education. Nobody needs a nice house or a great car, but health care is vital for basic survival....the fact that the world's richest country doesn't guarantee this basic need of life is shameful.

And are you really that short-sighted that you don't see how having an educated population makes for a prosperous country? I don't know if you've noticed, but educated people tend to do pretty well in life compared to those without.....well enough to make money, drive the economy, and in turn, give back more than their share of taxes.

My beef is with the Federal government controlling it. The Fed needs to meddle less in State affairs and simply do what the Constitution directed them to do. A smaller Fed with a taxation level reflective of the small size of that government would do wonders for the economy.