Ann Coulter @ the U of C - UPDATE moved to Red/White Club @ McMahon

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by gargamel

If a religion is primarily made up of a single race, and you pretend to attack that religion by focusing on stereotypes of the race that primarily makes up the religion (stereotypes which have nothing to do with the religion), that's just masked racism. If you tell members of a primarily black church to go eat some watermelon, that's racist; if you tell members of a primarily Arab religion to go ride a camel, that's racist.

Just splitting hairs but Arabs make up less than 10% of the muslim faith

[bubbsy]

forget the muslim/arab talk. She has been quoted as saying the ideal state of america in her eyes would be where everyone was christian. When questioned by the Jewish interviewer (cnbc) she said christens were just "perfected jews".

If you want the link i can provide it (just too lazy to proactively get it off youtube).

[amorak]

Originally Posted by cyclone3483

She is an embarassment to Christians. Advocating the killing Muslim leaders and making Muslims convert to Christianity goes against what the Bible says. When Muslims advocate the same thing, they call it "Jihad". Embarrassing.

What's a jihad between friends?

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Just splitting hairs but Arabs make up less than 10% of the muslim faith

20% according to wikipedia.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

forget the muslim/arab talk. She has been quoted as saying the ideal state of america in her eyes would be where everyone was christian. When questioned by the Jewish interviewer (cnbc) she said christens were just "perfected jews".

If you want the link i can provide it (just too lazy to proactively get it off youtube).

She's like Hitler Light!

I just Goodwin'ed all over this thread!

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Just splitting hairs but Arabs make up less than 10% of the muslim faith

Yes - there are many Muslims outside of the Arab world, although Islam is the predominant religion of the Arab world. Most Arabs are Muslims, but most Muslims are not Arabs.

[CaptainCrunch]

I have no problem with people protesting her being there. When I watched the news last night (CTV) they were mentioning physical confrontations out front and threats of violence, that I have a problem with.

If you have a problem with someone, then you frankly have a right to protest, but in terms of freedom of speech, you don't have a right to threaten someone to silence them.

She's a loon, there's no doubt, but I don't think she truly crosses the boundry into inciting hatred.

[tjinaz]

She completely dominated this event.

She was asked to come in and speak at a "free speech" event and was sent a letter containing "veiled threats" by the administration of a "neutral" higher learning institution then stopped from speaking by an intimidating mob that is patting itself on the back for protecting a paying audience from her influence. This will fuel her for years and I am sure her next book will titled something like "HYPOCRISY" and there will be a chapter dedicated to just this incident.

Bravo... nicely done..... Change the names and it is China

The whole point of the event was to show different viewpoints and the University basically said through its actions that different viewpoints will not be allowed. Either you are neutral and allow free speech or you don't. Coulter's point was fairly well reinforced through this whole incident in that it is ok to say Stupid Southern Redneck Christian Militia member, but if you say Dumb Muslim terrorist goat herder you are a racist. Both statements are equally prejudiced but only one is not politically correct. The crowd reinforced her point much more effectively than she ever could and gave her juice for another round of talk show appearances.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

She completely dominated this event.

She was asked to come in and speak at a "free speech" event and was sent a letter containing "veiled threats" by the administration of a "neutral" higher learning institution then stopped from speaking by an intimidating mob that is patting itself on the back for protecting a paying audience from her influence. This will fuel her for years and I am sure her next book will titled something like "HYPOCRISY" and there will be a chapter dedicated to just this incident.

Bravo... nicely done..... Change the names and it is China

The whole point of the event was to show different viewpoints and the University basically said through its actions that different viewpoints will not be allowed. Either you are neutral and allow free speech or you don't. Coulter's point was fairly well reinforced through this whole incident in that it is ok to say Stupid Southern Redneck Christian Militia member, but if you say Dumb Muslim terrorist goat herder you are a racist. Both statements are equally prejudiced but only one is not politically correct. The crowd reinforced her point much more effectively than she ever could and gave her juice for another round of talk show appearances.

but at least the children were saved from her idiocy

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And the kids on Jersey Shore, Levi Johnston, Octomom and the guy who said his son was floating away in a balloon that looks like a spaceship were all winning too.

I don't understand why the simple act of getting attention is considered "winning" anything.

The only difference is that Coulter is making a LOT of money from this and becoming even more popular, while the parents of that kid are facing fines and criminal charges.

I don't even see how you can compare the two.

[photon]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

People like to throw out the racism card because its its an easy card to throw out there because its hard to defend and easy to attack.

And people like to throw out the "people like to throw out the racism card" card because it's easy to discount all claims of racism without having to examine the claims specifically.

rac·ism –noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

From your wikipedia article:

The UN does not define "racism", however it does define "racial discrimination": according to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. '[3]

This definition does not make any difference between prosecutions based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among anthropologists.[4] According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

kinda funny


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs...rticle1510468/

“You guys used to be so cool. You were smokers. You had epic hockey fights. We had half our comedians from Canada. Now you’re all a bunch of girls named Francois.”

She was out east. What does she expect?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

She completely dominated this event.

She was asked to come in and speak at a "free speech" event and was sent a letter containing "veiled threats" by the administration of a "neutral" higher learning institution then stopped from speaking by an intimidating mob that is patting itself on the back for protecting a paying audience from her influence. This will fuel her for years and I am sure her next book will titled something like "HYPOCRISY" and there will be a chapter dedicated to just this incident.

Bravo... nicely done..... Change the names and it is China

The whole point of the event was to show different viewpoints and the University basically said through its actions that different viewpoints will not be allowed. Either you are neutral and allow free speech or you don't. Coulter's point was fairly well reinforced through this whole incident in that it is ok to say Stupid Southern Redneck Christian Militia member, but if you say Dumb Muslim terrorist goat herder you are a racist. Both statements are equally prejudiced but only one is not politically correct. The crowd reinforced her point much more effectively than she ever could and gave her juice for another round of talk show appearances.

Nice exaggeration. China? If it were China it would've been government troops stopping the event. This was a group of citizens exercising their free speech and freedom of assembly to disrupt someone they disagree with.

Free speech doesn't mean that you are free to say what you want without opposition. As far as I know she is the one who cancelled the appearance anyways. If she had the balls to go along with her adams apple she would've made the appearance regardless of the protests.

[tjinaz]

Nice exaggeration. China? If it were China it would've been government troops stopping the event. This was a group of citizens exercising their free speech and freedom of assembly to disrupt someone they disagree with.

It is more like Iran where the colleges mobilize the students to protest and threaten speakers whose views they oppose. At least in the glory days of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad

[HPLovecraft]

I might care if this were anyone else, but Ann Coulter? Yeah, the world's better off without her talking. Ever.

[starseed]

I have not weighed in or read the serious responses yet, but I guess I will post up my opinion.

Ann should have been given the opportunity to speak, and she was. She decided to pull out because of some kids, but she did not have to. Those kids had the right to also voice their opinion, but their calls to prevent Ann from being able to express herself would go unheeded by the government, and Ann would have been protected.

All this BS about how Ann was stifled by Canada is annoying. Those kids need to learn about the meaning of free speech, but Ann needs to learn not to blow things out of proportion.

I support blocking certain things from being advocated openly, such as the execution of homosexuals (Popescu) or genocide against Jews (Ahenakew), but Ann is not advocating that kind of violence as I understand. Likewise, Phelps can openly say that gays and murdered Hutterite girls are going to be tortured for eternity, but when he advocates the death penalty for those people, it encourages small minded individuals to act out with violence against those minorities. Allowing the dehumanization of minority groups should never be acceptable in a society like Canada, that always has to be considered in the discussion about freedom of speech.

[tripin_billie]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Nice exaggeration. China? If it were China it would've been government troops stopping the event. This was a group of citizens exercising their free speech and freedom of assembly to disrupt someone they disagree with.

Free speech doesn't mean that you are free to say what you want without opposition. As far as I know she is the one who cancelled the appearance anyways. If she had the balls to go along with her adams apple she would've made the appearance regardless of the protests.

Exactly, freedom of speech simply means that the government will not intervene to censor you. Individuals telling you to STFU is not a free speech issue. If the Canadian government said, "no, no you can't speak," then it would be a free speech issue.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by tripin_billie

Exactly, freedom of speech simply means that the government will not intervene to censor you. Individuals telling you to STFU is not a free speech issue. If the Canadian government said, "no, no you can't speak," then it would be a free speech issue.

It all really depends on how you are told to STFU. If private citizens are making threats or endangering your safety in any way (not that I am saying that is what happened here) your rights are still being violated. Even if they are putting up physical barriers I would say that is still curtailing freedom of speech.

Although the Charter only applies to the public, the principles on which it is based most certainly apply to private citizens.

A part of freedom of speech means allowing those with opposing views to speak their mind. There is a fine line between exercising your right of protest and curtailing someone else's rights.

AC is making the case her rights were curtailed. Whether or not that actually happened is irrelelvant. The actions by the students have given her enough ammunition to make her case. Sometimes appearances are more important than the truth of what actually happened, and the students at UofO were easily manipulated.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I might care if this were anyone else, but Ann Coulter? Yeah, the world's better off without her talking. Ever.

The world would be better off if the Pope never said another word too. Ever.

Of course, others might disagree.

Ann should have been given the opportunity to speak, and she was. She decided to pull out because of some kids, but she did not have to. Those kids had the right to also voice their opinion, but their calls to prevent Ann from being able to express herself would go unheeded by the government, and Ann would have been protected.

Ann Coulter did not pull out of the event or have it cancelled. The organizers cancelled the event. They felt there was a safety issue.

Cowperson

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by cheevers

As a left leaning person, I have to say I am a huge fan of Coulter, as should every liberal leaning person. Her thoughts are ridiculous, borderline, racist, nonsense and only serves to push people away from the centre to the left.

Like it or not, many who don't follow politics very closely see the conservatives and the American Republicans in the same light. It is a shame in a way as there are so many level headed, intelligent, conservatives/republicans, but Coulter puts them all in a bad light. I mean she drives people away with her drivel. She is the best thing that could happen for left wing politics.

She is a media personality. She is about ratings, publicity whether its good or bad. It is a shame that anyone would paint people on her side of the spectrum with the same brush...it is no different then some of the stereotypes she spits out.