Amanda Knox Guilty of murder (shakeshead)

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Calm down dear.

The knowledge of how the evidence was handled - pun intended - came to light in the appeal.

And can I be clear about this, my suspicions are based on her lying and pointing the finger at an innocent man - a man she knew to be innocent, which is conveniently ignored by those having a great time going after me.

The knowledge of the lack of credible evidence existed well before you made your statement that you "highly suspect she did it".

And get your story straight, first it's she acted weird, now it's finger pointing. Either way, it doesn't point to her committing the act, it points to her panicking in the face of being accused of murder.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Do you say that to everybody you disagree with?

Good strategy.

You clearly do not know the details of the case. I asked you to debate the issues, you won't.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Knox did it, and whats more, she's a cold bitch.

Do you say that to everybody you disagree with?

Good strategy.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Calm down dear.

The knowledge of how the evidence was handled - pun intended - came to light in the appeal.

And can I be clear about this, my suspicions are based on her lying and pointing the finger at an innocent man - a man she knew to be innocent, which is conveniently ignored by those having a great time going after me.

That is not true, the evidence was argued from the beginning. She was clearly innocent the entire time. I have no idea how people got sucked into believing she was guilty.

You still prove you don't know what happened. She was interrogated for hours upon hours without sleep and the police offered hypothetical scenarios of what may have taken place, along with physical abuse. She complained immediately, and the police responded amazingly - video tapes of the accusations and abuse somehow were not running during that period.

False allegations like what they forced her into are very common during these marathon question sessions with sleep deprivation, so much so that they are not used by police (basically anywhere that values a legit legal system) since they have no value. As you discovered, she blamed when she had no clue what ever happened.

And she did not know who was innocent, besides herself and boyfriend, since they were together.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

Based upon what exactly?

She and her boyfriends story was all over the place, she lied about the boss then accused the Italian police of beating her, having spent a bit of time in Italy I can say their police are utterly incompetant but not brutal, if anything they are deferential to foreigners, especially yanks.

Bottom line is most people are killed by people they know, particularly when they are killed at home and the inconsistancies in Knox's story lead me to think she was aware of what happened but is covering.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

She and her boyfriends story was all over the place, she lied about the boss then accused the Italian police of beating her, having spent a bit of time in Italy I can say their police are utterly incompetant but not brutal, if anything they are deferential to foreigners, especially yanks.

Bottom line is most people are killed by people they know, particularly when they are killed at home and the inconsistancies in Knox's story lead me to think she was aware of what happened but is covering.

So basically you have no actual basis for the opinion, correct? People stories tend to be a little bit crazy when they're interviewed for multiple hours under the pressure of being accused of murder, especially when the interrogation involves creating scenarios. Like I said, none of that points to her committing a murder nor being involved in a cover up. Not one bit.

As for the bolded part, in a week in Italy I was cornered and berated by the Carbinieri for simply walking through a train station at 8am. They were anything but deferential.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by valo403

The knowledge of the lack of credible evidence existed well before you made your statement that you "highly suspect she did it".

And get your story straight, first it's she acted weird, now it's finger pointing. Either way, it doesn't point to her committing the act, it points to her panicking in the face of being accused of murder.

I don't know valo, I've never heard of a case where the police coerce a confession out of an innocent person. That never happens.

The idea that Knox killed her with clearly no motive or history of crime is really silly.

Just look at where the evidence points:

Guilty:
Inconsistencies in her story due to an overnight interrogation.
Might be a witch.
Reportedly turned someone into a newt.

Innocent:
No motive.
No history of crime.
No forensic evidence.
Plausible alibi.

Cut and dry case. Not guilty and almost certainly innocent.

As for her doing cartwheels etc. when finding out about her roommates death, people handle shock in different ways. A friend of mine is a nurse who at times has had the job of telling people they have terminal cancer. One of the ways they handle hearing the news is hysterical laughter. Knox's reaction means nothing in terms of evidence. Please don't try to play psychologist guys, it's harder than you think.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Bottom line is most people are killed by people they know, particularly when they are killed at home and the inconsistancies in Knox's story lead me to think she was aware of what happened but is covering.

Have a read:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI.html

Try to build a case then of how a career criminal is serving time for the murder, yet she is covering up for him? They already know what happened, and she has been proven innocent of everything.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

So basically you have no actual basis for the opinion, correct? People stories tend to be a little bit crazy when they're interviewed for multiple hours under the pressure of being accused of murder, especially when the interrogation involves creating scenarios. Like I said, none of that points to her committing a murder nor being involved in a cover up. Not one bit.

As for the bolded part, in a week in Italy I was cornered and berated by the Carbinieri for simply walking through a train station at 8am. They were anything but deferential.

Of course I have no basis for the opinion, I have no basis to think OJ did it either.
I personally have found people arn't that that inconsistant under interogation unless they are struggling to hold a lie together, there have been cases where a cop has managed to persuade mentally handicapped or ######ed guys to confess to things they didn't do but this was a very bright girl being interviewed by a cop who was not using their first language, I cannot see it being a particularly persuasive interrogation, unpleasent and stressfull, but that wouldn't make someone accuse someone else randomly or give such a contradictory story.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Guilty:
Might be a witch.

Guilty!

Oh wait.... what year is it?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course I have no basis for the opinion, I have no basis to think OJ did it either.
I personally have found people arn't that that inconsistant under interogation unless they are struggling to hold a lie together, there have been cases where a cop has managed to persuade mentally handicapped or ######ed guys to confess to things they didn't do but this was a very bright girl being interviewed by a cop who was not using their first language, I cannot see it being a particularly persuasive interrogation, unpleasent and stressfull, but that wouldn't make someone accuse someone else randomly or give such a contradictory story.

I have read many cases in which faulty confessions were obtained under duress from people of all levels of intelligence.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

I have read many cases in which faulty confessions were obtained under duress from people of all levels of intelligence.

She might be innocent, I just think she knows a hell of alot more than she has admitted to.

[Coys1882]

This is Steve Moore's assessment of the evidence:

CONCLUSIONS:
1. There is absolutely no evidence of Amanda Knox in the room at the time of the murder, nor is there evidence that she participated in any way.
a. No blood
b. No hairs
c. No fingerprints
d. No footprints
e. No saliva
f. No DNA

2. There are absolutely no items of Amanda’s which have any blood on them
a. No clothes
b. No shoes
c. No socks
d. No underwear

3. Amanda had not a scratch on her the morning after the attack
a. No cuts
b. No bruises
c. No lacerations

4. There was absolutely no blood found in Raffaele’s apartment or Amanda’s room.
a. Nothing on the floors
b. Nothing on knives
c. Nothing on carpets
d. Nothing on walls
e. Nothing on clothes
f. Nothing on utensils
g. Nothing on doorknobs

5. There was no escape attempt by Amanda or Raffaele
a. Rudy escaped to Germany shortly after the attack
b. Amanda did not attempt to flee
c. Raffaele did not attempt to flee

6. There were NO psychological indicators of potential violence in Amanda
a. No motive
b. No homicidal fantasies or preoccupation
c. No violent intentions or expressed threats
d. No weapons skills
e. No pre-attack planning
f. No stalking
g. No job problems
h. No loss or personal stressors
i. No lack of conscience
j. No anger problems
k. No depression or suicidality
l. No paranoia or other symptoms
m. No isolation
n. No history of violence
o. No history of criminality
p. No domestic partner violence.

Based on the preceding, AMANDA’S INVOLVEMENT IN THE MURDER IS NOT JUST UNLIKELY, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. The prosecution is missing all evidence needed to convict Amanda Knox, and hasn’t provided any plausible reason for it's absence.

[Weiser Wonder]

On the other hand, you can tell the bitch totally did it.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Have a read:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI.html

Try to build a case then of how a career criminal is serving time for the murder, yet she is covering up for him? They already know what happened, and she has been proven innocent of everything.

That is a fantastic site. Before reading that I was in the don't think that she did it but it is possible that she did it camp. After reading through all of that from the FBI expert I am in the camp that there is no possible way she was involved. It isn't even a sight possibility.

[lazypucker]

I expect an offer for Amanda to do a porn video shoot very soon...just like Casey Anthony was offered.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course I have no basis for the opinion, I have no basis to think OJ did it either.
I personally have found people arn't that that inconsistant under interogation unless they are struggling to hold a lie together, there have been cases where a cop has managed to persuade mentally handicapped or ######ed guys to confess to things they didn't do but this was a very bright girl being interviewed by a cop who was not using their first language, I cannot see it being a particularly persuasive interrogation, unpleasent and stressfull, but that wouldn't make someone accuse someone else randomly or give such a contradictory story.

Realy? Read this from the web site posted above>>>>>

Quote:

THE 40-HOUR INTERROGATION WEEK:



How many hours do you work a week? If you’re like almost everybody, you work 40 hours in five days. In the five days after the murder of Meredith Kercher, Amanda Knox was interrogated by detectives for 43 hours. Think about that for a minute. That’s not a number in dispute. 43 hours of sitting at a table being badgered by questions from detectives in five days. 8 hours a day for an entire work week. In a foreign country. In a foreign language.



THE ALL-NIGHTER:



Of even greater ignominy are the last eight hours of the interrogation. This took place from 10:30 p.m. until 6:00 a.m. All night. Why would detectives schedule an interrogation overnight? Detectives are for the most part different from other policemen in that their regular schedule is 8a-5p or 9a-5p or something similar. Sure, they get called out in the middle of the night, but all things equal, unless you are in a department like NYPD or LAPD where a skeleton crew covers the evening shift; normal schedules for detectives are not overnight.



But that night, Amanda was interrogated all night. And by not just one or two detectives, but by a dozen (12) detectives. Again, the police not only do not dispute this, but they have entered this evidence into court. Perugia has a population of approximately 165,000 people. I live in a town of 100,000 and there are less than ½ a dozen detectives to cover the city, much less work an all-night shift. Perugia had to call in resources from Rome to help that night. It was not a spontaneous interrogation. It was pre-planned, and pre-planned to be an all-nighter.



Why interrogate all night? There are few legitimate reasons:



· It’s a rapidly unfolding case where lives are at risk, such as a bombing spree



· It’s the only time the suspect is available



· There is a deadline



If you are going to have 12 detectives available all night for an interrogation, you need to let them know well in advance. You need to schedule them, to change their days off, etc. You have to pay them overtime. In the real world, 12 detectives all night is something that has to be signed off by higher-ups. What does this tell us? It tells us the interrogation was NOT a rapidly unfolding case where lives were at risk—they planned this interview well in advance, and INTENTIONALLY overnight. They knew Amanda was available all day (as they had interviewed her for 35 hours in the past four days). There was no deadline. The lead detective in the case, Giobbi, had already said they “knew” Amanda was the murderer by this point. So they did not believe there was a murderer on the loose “out there.” (And yet there was).



No, the reason they interrogated Amanda all night was to break her. Not get the truth, not get answers, not make Perugia safer; but to break her so that she would say what they wanted her to say.



They used a technique that I unfortunately became aware of while serving overseas in counter-terrorism. We used to call it “tag-teaming”. I am aware of its use by intelligence/law enforcement officers of other countries. It takes dozens of operatives/officers to make it work. Two officers are assigned for approximately an hour at a time to the suspect. Their prime responsibility is simply to keep the person awake and agitated. They do this for only an hour, because it takes a lot out of the detectives. After an hour, a fresh pair of “interrogators” come in. Again, the questions they ask are secondary to their main task—keep the person awake and afraid. By tag-teaming every hour, the interrogators remain fresh, energetic and on-task. The suspect, however, becomes increasingly exhausted, confused by different questions from dozens of different interrogators, and prays for the interrogation to end. In extreme cases, people can become so disoriented that they forget where they are. Interrogation such as this for more than four days has resulted in death.

[RogerWilco]

double post

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Have a read:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/FBI.html

Try to build a case then of how a career criminal is serving time for the murder, yet she is covering up for him? They already know what happened, and she has been proven innocent of everything.

Anyone who reads through that entire site and still thinks she's guilty is either dumb or trolling the internets.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Anyone who reads through that entire site and still thinks she's guilty is either dumb or trolling the internets.

Or thinks the site is as self serving as the other sides arguements.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Anyone who reads through that entire site and still thinks she's guilty is either dumb or trolling the internets.

It took me a couple of hours to read all of it but that was my reaction as well. After reading that you would have to be an idiot to think she was involved at all.

Infact reading that pissed me right off, the Italian Police in that town are either corrupt to the bone or completely incompetent.