But this is what I know as Truth, that there is a God full of grace and mercy who reached down to love mankind.
We as humans quite often become arrogant and think that we know everything, that we understand how everything is done in this world. I think that the reality is that none of us really knows exactly how life formed here, or how it can form in other places. None of us were there.
Sorry, couldn't resist. This post is positively oozing with delicious irony.
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The thing with seeing things in the sky is there's no reference points.. nothing to gauge against to judge distance, size, or speed. So it's really difficult to say what things are. I've seen a number of things that I have no idea what they were.
But going from "I don't know what that is." to "I don't know what that is therefore it must be aliens." without any evidence is too far a leap to make (and a logical fallacy besides).
Unanswered questions are not evidence.
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How can one believe in an alien that you have never seen or that there is no hard proof of, and yet deny a God who has had many eye witnesses for thousands of years, including the Bible. You don't have to believe the Bible, but it is a testimony of who God is.
Hey Neeper...I saw something similar here last week (minus the s turns). I told my wife about it the next day, so she can vouch!
I think it would have been about last Wednesday at around 8 or 9 pm., a nice clear evening. I was finishing work, fueling up my truck. Where I fuel it's very dark, not a lot of light around, so I often get a good look at the night sky without much light in the way. In the western sky I noticed a fairly bright light, slowly moving across the sky due east. It kind of caught my eye because there was no flashing lights that you would see on a plane. It was like the same height as say a 35,000 foot airplane, but moving quicker, and no flashing or twinkling at all, just a solid white light. My uneducated opinion therefore detemined that it likely wasn't a satellite either, as they usually are less bright, move slower, look more like a moving star. I watched it the whole time as it moved right over top of me, then at say 1 o clock from where I was standing, toward the eastern sky it just quickly vanished. The light dimmed for about 5-10 seconds first, then poof....it was gone. I stood there for a minute or so after, kind of dumbfounded, almost waiting for it to reappear, but whatever it was it was gone.
I dont have a clue what it might have been. Kind of unspectacular as far as UFO's go I guess. I'm quite certain it wasn't a plane. Planes dont disappear. Some kind of space junk that burnt up maybe, I dunno. Thing is the speed of it was consistent right across the sky over top of me, not like it was falling. Weird, who knows.
Buzzard, I'm pretty sure you saw the International Space Station. It can appear very bright in the night sky (similar brightness to Venus) and depending on your position relative it's path, it can take several minutes for it to transit from horizon to horizon. For example, it can up to 7 minutes if it's passing directly overhead. It travels from west to east. Here's a link to ISS passes visible from the Calgary area over the next couple of days. BTW, the more negative the Magnitude, the brighter it will appear.
I find it strange that people can believe so easily in alien life (not saying that is wrong in and of itself), in theories such as aliens built the pyramids, that there is cities on the moon, yet they can't believe in an Almighty God.
Here's why:
People that believe it was aliens that built the pyramids have something physical to look at, people who believe in aliens/flying saucers at least have 100's of grainy video clips to support their beliefs.
People who believe in the almighty god also believe "god is good" which if he existed would be clearly wrong. In the end though there is nothing physical to support any god made up by man, if your a Christan even most of whats in your holy bible was ripped off ...if he talks to people it's voices in their heads that they want to hear.
Buzzard, I'm pretty sure you saw the International Space Station. It can appear very bright in the night sky (similar brightness to Venus) and depending on your position relative it's path, it can take several minutes for it to transit from horizon to horizon. For example, it can up to 7 minutes if it's passing directly overhead. It travels from west to east. Here's a link to ISS passes visible from the Calgary area over the next couple of days. BTW, the more negative the Magnitude, the brighter it will appear.
Looking at that track it wasn't very close to Calgary, it's closest was about 10:15pm over extreme south eastern BC, thats to far away to see for more than maybe a second and it would have been a pindot of light if the sun reflected off it, I have seen it twice right over my head and it goes out of view very fast and it sure doesn't do any u-turns either.
Buzzard, I'm pretty sure you saw the International Space Station. It can appear very bright in the night sky (similar brightness to Venus) and depending on your position relative it's path, it can take several minutes for it to transit from horizon to horizon. For example, it can up to 7 minutes if it's passing directly overhead. It travels from west to east. Here's a link to ISS passes visible from the Calgary area over the next couple of days. BTW, the more negative the Magnitude, the brighter it will appear.
Yup...that could very well have been the space station.
I'd like someone to explain the vanishing part though. Like I say...it went from quite bright, dimming in 5 or so seconds, to nothing...just like that. That was the weird part of what I saw. If not for that, I'd say no doubt it was the space station, or a bright satellite, etc.
Yup...that could very well have been the space station.
I'd like someone to explain the vanishing part though. Like I say...it went from quite bright, dimming in 5 or so seconds, to nothing...just like that. That was the weird part of what I saw. If not for that, I'd say no doubt it was the space station, or a bright satellite, etc.
Bear in mind that the ISS does not emit it's own light but is reflecting sunlight. Think of it as a giant mirror passing over head. As it approaches the horizon, your viewing angle to it becomes increasingly oblique and the reflective surface becomes smaller and smaller in relation to you. It will dim and then just disappear. I've witnessed the ISS several times and it does exactly what you've described. There's going to be a fairly bright ISS pass over Calgary tomorrow traveling from the W to ESE beginning at 5:23 and lasting for over 5 minutes. If you have a chance, go out and have a look if the skies are clear. There will be a 2nd, less bright pass, from WSW to SSW beginning at 6:59 and lasting only a minute or so.
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Looking at that track it wasn't very close to Calgary, it's closest was about 10:15pm over extreme south eastern BC, thats to far away to see for more than maybe a second and it would have been a pindot of light if the sun reflected off it, I have seen it twice right over my head and it goes out of view very fast and it sure doesn't do any u-turns either.
I was commenting specifically on what Buzzard saw. He didn't say anything about u-turns. Hey, could have been aliens. I think it's more likely to have been the space station.
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I was commenting specifically on what Buzzard saw. He didn't say anything about u-turns. Hey, could have been aliens. I think it's more likely to have been the space station.
Opps, I thought it was about Neepers UFO, my mistake.
Anyway I think NASA has a site where they show when the ISS will travel over your location (I'll try to find it) for those who haven't seen it going over your head it's quite a sight. not sure how often it goes directly over Calgary though.
People that believe it was aliens that built the pyramids have something physical to look at, people who believe in aliens/flying saucers at least have 100's of grainy video clips to support their beliefs.
People who believe God wrote the Bible have that to look at. Your point is pretty weak.
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if your a Christan even most of whats in your holy bible was ripped off
Most of? So just some is true? What was 'ripped off'?
People who believe God wrote the Bible have that to look at. Your point is pretty weak. Most of? So just some is true? What was 'ripped off'?
The writings, just about every "big" (and false i might add) event in the bible was written about 2000 year before by the Sumerians.
My point isn't weak as I posted it in this thread earlier (maybe you should read a little) and "god" didn't write any bible, why? because he doesn't exist outside of a believers mind.
The writings, just about every "big" (and false i might add) event in the bible was written about 2000 year before by the Sumerians.
Right. Maybe you should do some reading.
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My point isn't weak as I posted it in this thread earlier (maybe you should read a little) and "god" didn't write any bible, why? because he doesn't exist outside of a believers mind.
That is your opinion. Not fact. I'll stick to the bible, you stick to the pyramids. In a few years we'll each know who was right. No problem.
Buzzard, I'm pretty sure you saw the International Space Station. It can appear very bright in the night sky (similar brightness to Venus) and depending on your position relative it's path, it can take several minutes for it to transit from horizon to horizon. For example, it can up to 7 minutes if it's passing directly overhead. It travels from west to east. Here's a link to ISS passes visible from the Calgary area over the next couple of days. BTW, the more negative the Magnitude, the brighter it will appear.
ISS plot from last Wednesday for Calgary (From L to R - Time, Elevation, Direction of first time viewable, peak viewability, final vewing) (sorry the table wouldn't paste in - Try here) :
18 Nov 15:11:08 10 SSW 15:13:13 18 SE 15:15:18 10 E 18 Nov 16:45:05 10 WSW 16:47:57 70 SSE 16:50:48 10 E 18 Nov 18:20:09 10 W 18:23:02 77 N 18:25:55 10 E 18 Nov 19:55:15 10 W 19:58:03 49 SSW 20:00:51 10 SE 18 Nov 21:31:32 10 WSW 21:32:36 11 SW 21:33:39 10 SSW
The Bible's mere existence and history is more evidence pointing towards God than any of the theories on alien life. Let's be clear, were not talking about microbes in a martian ice cap, we're talking about little green men who hide in the sky, observe, and occasionally kidnap people and expierement with anal probes.
I am sure you would agree then that the existence of the Book of Mormon must mean that the Mormons are right. I will send the Elders over.
The thing with science is that everything is treated equally. The idea of gravity needs just as much evidence and confirmation as that of atomic theory. UFO's, bigfoot or the extraterrestrial nature crop circles only need to cross the same threshold of evidence as cows, chickens or the Mayans have.
Science asks for no higher standard of proof more of proponents of extraterrestrial visitors than it would of people claiming to have met the President.
The writings, just about every "big" (and false i might add) event in the bible was written about 2000 year before by the Sumerians.
My point isn't weak as I posted it in this thread earlier (maybe you should read a little) and "god" didn't write any bible, why? because he doesn't exist outside of a believers mind.
Aliens aren't sending us videos of themselves either, what's your point?
[quote=firebug;2169193]I am sure you would agree then that the existence of the Book of Mormon must mean that the Mormons are right. I will send the Elders over.[quote]No. That was a rebuttal to a weak statement not an agreeance.
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The thing with science is that everything is treated equally. The idea of gravity needs just as much evidence and confirmation as that of atomic theory. UFO's, bigfoot or the extraterrestrial nature crop circles only need to cross the same threshold of evidence as cows, chickens or the Mayans have.
Which they haven't
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Science asks for no higher standard of proof more of proponents of extraterrestrial visitors than it would of people claiming to have met the President.
So why do so many people believe in ET without that evidence, yet they ridicule a Christian believer for having similar faith in something else.
Science is easy to believe, what you see is what you get. I don't have any problem with that. Man's studies in science seem to point towards inteligent design, God, with every new discovery. However I won't use science to prove my existence as all of science's theories of creation and evolution are based on an assumption that something random happened but which can not be proven. Big Bang, missing link etc.
So why do so many people believe in ET without that evidence, yet they ridicule a Christian believer for having similar faith in something else.
Because so many people believe all kinds of crazy things; people are easily misled and our brains have evolved to see patterns and need causes for things so people often see patterns and causes where they do not exist.
This is well understood about our brains.
IF you have a person that thinks aliens are abducting our yokels and mutilating our cattle and on the other hand ridicules Christians for similar faith then yes I agree that person is being irrational.
However you seem to be casting a wide net with that; If you want to argue against those people go find them. I haven't seen anyone here make those kinds of claims, so I don't see the point of what you are saying.
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Science is easy to believe, what you see is what you get. I don't have any problem with that. Man's studies in science seem to point towards inteligent design, God, with every new discovery. However I won't use science to prove my existence as all of science's theories of creation and evolution are based on an assumption that something random happened but which can not be proven. Big Bang, missing link etc.
There's nothing scientific about "Intelligent Design", it's proponents admit a) that intelligent design is about as scientific as astrology (this was admitted under oath no less), b) that Intelligent Design is a strategy to get religion into the science classroom, nothing more and c) that some of them accept a 4.5 billion year old earth and common descent of life, the Intelligent Design just comes in at specific points along evolution.
As for the rest, no science doesn't base its theories on assumptions, other than the assumption that the solipsists aren't right.
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