07-09-2009, 03:09 PM
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Is the nudity, thongs, and general displays of debauchery really needed?
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One person's debauchery is another person's celebration. Nobody's breaking any laws. They're just offending your apparently conservative sensibilities.
But that's kind of the point, being gay for many is about thongs and leather and all that. So when there's a parade focused on being gay, gasp, people come out in leather and thongs.
Who does it hurt? Absolutely no one.
Last edited by Pastiche; 07-09-2009 at 03:11 PM.
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07-09-2009, 03:10 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Pastiche
One person's debauchery is another person's celebration. Nobody's breaking any laws. They're just offending your apparently conservative sensibilities.
But that's kind of the point, being gay for many is about thongs and leather and all that. So when there's a parade focused on being gay, gasp, people come out in leather and thongs.
Who does it hurt? Absolutely no one.
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I would really hope that its not really based on that belief.
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07-09-2009, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastiche
One person's debauchery is another person's celebration. Nobody's breaking any laws. They're just offending your apparently conservative sensibilities.
But that's kind of the point, being gay for many is about thongs and leather and all that. So when there's a parade focused on being gay, gasp, people come out in leather and thongs.
Who does it hurt? Absolutely no one.
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Oh please... are you a nihilist? Do you honestly believe that everyone's values and meaning are equal?
Old men walking around naked is disgusting and violating the law.
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07-09-2009, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by peter12
Fair enough, but can't public displays of sexuality be along the same lines of social norms? Holding hands, minimal PDA etc...Is the nudity, thongs, and general displays of debauchery really needed? Seems to me that it perpetuates the stereotype of homosexuals being a bunch of sexually depraved perverts, which I obviously do not believe to be true.
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Not any more than Mardi Gras or Carnivale show heterosexuals as perverts.
As I have said before, come to a gay pride parade. Calgary's parade will be the first weekend of September...you will be surprised by how "non-threatening" the event really is.
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07-09-2009, 03:12 PM
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I would really hope that its not really based on that belief.
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Why would you hope that? What's wrong with that?
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07-09-2009, 03:13 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by Pastiche
One person's debauchery is another person's celebration. Nobody's breaking any laws. They're just offending your apparently conservative sensibilities.
But that's kind of the point, being gay for many is about thongs and leather and all that. So when there's a parade focused on being gay, gasp, people come out in leather and thongs.
Who does it hurt? Absolutely no one.
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There you go again... digging that hole deeper. You are not helping your cause.
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07-09-2009, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc
Do you think that change will happen if people just shut up and stay out of the public eye? Change doesn't come from being timid...it comes from coming out of the closet, uniting together and showing strength in numbers. That is what Pride events are all about.
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Nope, all i am saying is pride parades aren't going to change anyone's lack of tolerance, those who aren't tolerant aren't attending pride parades. The benefit of these events are moreso for the participants - you get a day where you can just be yourself and celebrate that with your peers and people who support you, nothing wrong with that at all.....I just don't think that the purpose should be to change anyones mind, and if it does that is great...
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07-09-2009, 03:13 PM
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Just want to say Thanks to Ben for bringing out his perspective to the debate. Been a very interesting thread
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07-09-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc
Not any more than Mardi Gras or Carnivale show heterosexuals as perverts.
As I have said before, come to a gay pride parade. Calgary's parade will be the first weekend of September...you will be surprised by how "non-threatening" the event really is.
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Well, I agree that Mardi Gras et al falls under the same type of event, so I'm not drawing a double standard and I have never stereotyped all homosexuals or all Pride events as being the same.
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07-09-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by peter12
Oh please... are you a nihilist? Do you honestly believe that everyone's values and meaning are equal?
Old men walking around naked is disgusting and violating the law.
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That's why I never go down to Wreck beach (naked old men) and that's why you don't have attend a pride parade! And if someone is offended by it, why are they there in the first place
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07-09-2009, 03:15 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Just want to say Thanks to Ben for bringing out his perspective to the debate. Been a very interesting thread
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And Pastiche is making it even more interesting! 
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07-09-2009, 03:16 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Pastiche
Why would you hope that? What's wrong with that?
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Because simply thats a pretty shallow belief system. Homosexual life style like the heterosexual lifestyle is all about forming loving consensual relationships between two loving partners or finding a connection within your sexual sphere.
Saying its about leather and thongs and bondage wear is simply one group within that community.
Its would be like defining a hetero sexual definition of relationships on the strip club lifestyle or the S+M show that comes to Calgary once a year.
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07-09-2009, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc
Not any more than Mardi Gras or Carnivale show heterosexuals as perverts.
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I'm not too up on Mardi Gras or Carnivale. What perverted things are the damn heterosexuals doing at these events?
Oh, and if you could include pics that would be greatly appreciated!
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07-09-2009, 03:18 PM
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Norm!
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Just want to say Thanks to Ben for bringing out his perspective to the debate. Been a very interesting thread
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I think this is a great point, and I can't believe that I spent so much time on my vacation day (sans a hour break to work out) on this thread and the religion thread.
Now if y'all don't mind I've got things to do.
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07-09-2009, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
That's why I never down to Wreck beach (naked old men) and that's why you don't have attend a pride parade! And if someone is offended by it, why are they there in the first place
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Maybe someone wants to educate their children about gays .... but they can't because there's a bunch of old white fat guys walking down the street with their dicks hanging out (as in the Toronto 2009 Gay Pride Parade).
Defeats the purpose I say and enforces a stereotype.
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07-09-2009, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
That's why I never go down to Wreck beach (naked old men) and that's why you don't have attend a pride parade! And if someone is offended by it, why are they there in the first place
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Except that Pride's purpose is create an atmosphere of trust and community spirit. Naked old men do not accomplish that, in fact, they perpetuate a stereotype which is damaging to the community.
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07-09-2009, 03:19 PM
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Maybe someone wants to educate their children about gays .... but they can't because there's a bunch of old white fat guys walking down the street with their penis's hanging out (as in the Toronto 2009 Gay Pride Parade).
Defeats the purpose I say and enforces a stereotype.
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Which is why going to a pride parade is not a good way to educate children...
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07-09-2009, 03:20 PM
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Homosexual life style like the heterosexual lifestyle is all about forming loving consensual relationships between two loving partners or finding a connection within your sexual sphere.
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Yeah and for some that sexual sphere is leather and thongs and they're out there proclaiming that. Because being gay to them is a sexual identity and their sexual identity is leather loving man.
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Saying its about leather and thongs and bondage wear is simply one group within that community.
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Yes indeed, which is what I said.
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07-09-2009, 03:22 PM
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Maybe someone wants to educate their children about gays .... but they can't because there's a bunch of old white fat guys walking down the street with their dicks hanging out (as in the Toronto 2009 Gay Pride Parade).
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They can't educate them about gays because they don't want them to see real gay people displaying their sexual identity? For children the Pride Parade probably isn't the best place to start but I would certainly take my children to a pride parade if I really want to educate them about gay culture.
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07-09-2009, 03:26 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
Which is why going to a pride parade is not a good way to educate children...
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Then don't hold it in public (not only in public but in the center of downtown Toronto) and don't use my tax dollars to pay for it.
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