Wow! So many people on this site don't seem to have the capacity to understand anything but, their own narrow world view. This Doctor killed what I consider to be and obviously this gunman considers to be human life. The thousands of murders committed by this "doctor" were not only human but also completely innocent; these babies harmed no one. George Tiller killed for profit and if he were alive today he would probably be adding to his totals as I type. I'm glad he's gone.
Just because the government legalized the killing of one vunerable segment of society doesn't make that action any less murder. The german soliders who operated the jewish death camps were guilty of murder even though they were under orders. George Tiller built and operated his death clinic by choice. George Tiller was an evil man.
Given that the rest of your post is a very narrow-minded "all abortions are murders" black and white opinion rather than the more nuanced and understanding view of abortion expressed in this thread by IFF and others, I'm somewhat surprised by the bolded portion.
Do you include yourself in the group of people you claim "don't seem to have the capacity to understand anything but, [sic] their own narrow world view"?
I am not sure if this was mentioned in this thread. But George Tiller was a late term abortionist. He was not aborting days-old, weeks-old fetuses where there is definitely a grey area as to whether the fetus is alive or not. He was aborting fully formed babies that can survive outside the womb for profit. If that is not evil I am not sure what is then.
Now the assassin should be sent off for a long time for murder. But am not sorry for Tiller.
This was posted earlier, the idea that he was doing it come one come all, seems to be false.
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I haven't gone through everything in this thread so this may have been mentioned:
One thing to keep in mind in all of this is that Tiller didn't simply perform ANY third trimester abortion. The goal of the clinic has been to provide third trimester abortions for women carrying fetuses that were not viable or in cases where the mothers health/life where in jeopardy if they were to carry to fetus full term. They also have to provide reasoning ans justification for a late term abortion in order to perform it.
Now he's gone through several lawsuits and what not about the way he solicited for second opinions etc. but has thus far been cleared.
No matter which way you look at it abortion is an ugly business but it isn't simply black and white. There is all sorts of grey.
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Oh PETA you bunch of rascals. What ring won't you throw your hat into?
George Tiller shooting prompts PETA ad campaign in Wichita
WICHITA - A national animal rights group plans to erect billboards in Wichita urging people on both sides of the abortion debate to go vegetarian.
One version of the billboard says, "Pro-Life? Go Vegetarian." The other says, "Pro-Choice? Choose Vegetarian." Both feature a photo of three baby chicks.
Lindsay Rajt, campaign manager for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said the billboards were prompted by the recent shooting death of abortion doctor George Tiller, who was killed Sunday at his church.
"The discussion of the value of life is front and center right now in the public conversation," Rajt said.
"We think we would be irresponsible if we don't talk about how we're all guilty of extreme cruelty to animals every time we sit down to a meal that includes meat."
I think that the all veggie diet has rotted their brains. Thats extremely bad taste. They're no better then the religeous nutbars that protest at military funerals.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
I am not sure if this was mentioned in this thread. But George Tiller was a late term abortionist. He was not aborting days-old, weeks-old fetuses where there is definitely a grey area as to whether the fetus is alive or not. He was aborting fully formed babies that can survive outside the womb for profit. If that is not evil I am not sure what is then.
Now the assassin should be sent off for a long time for murder. But am not sorry for Tiller.
No he wasn't. For late term abortions, he was aborting fetuses that were not going to survive to make it to term or after being born. He was aborting fetuses that would put the mothers life in jeopardy. In order to do such late term abortions he had to justify the procedure in those terms. He could not do them for the hell of it to simply make a quick buck. At least from everything I've seen/read on this.
No he wasn't. For late term abortions, he was aborting fetuses that were not going to survive to make it to term or after being born. He was aborting fetuses that would put the mothers life in jeopardy. In order to do such late term abortions he had to justify the procedure in those terms. He could not do them for the hell of it to simply make a quick buck. At least from everything I've seen/read on this.
Apparently 100% of his late term abortions had abnormalities of the fetus and one that didn't was the case of a 10 year old girl who'd been raped. His majority was earlier term abortions, not of the late term kind and his cut off point was when the baby could survive on it's own if born without incredible medical intervention.
Doesn't seem all that outrageous to me.
Those according to Peggy Bowman who worked at his clinic from the CBC; who by the way is pro life.
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Gross. Chicken McFrankensteins. What are nuggets anyways? like 5% chicken 95% additives and preservatives?
Hopefully it's closer to 99% additives and preservatives.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Given that the rest of your post is a very narrow-minded "all abortions are murders" black and white opinion rather than the more nuanced and understanding view of abortion expressed in this thread by IFF and others, I'm somewhat surprised by the bolded portion.
Do you include yourself in the group of people you claim "don't seem to have the capacity to understand anything but, [sic] their own narrow world view"?
My post was in response to several posts by others who protrayed the shooter as a monster. Did you call any of them out for their narrow-minded world view? My post was intended to present the shooter's world view which I in part simpathize with. Of course it was narrow; It represented one opinion.
ernie the doctor owned the abortion clinic. His business is credited with providing 60 thousand abortions over the years. I highly doubt all 60 thousand abortions were late term although he no doubt has other doctors on the pay-roll who might do the earlier ones. Also, He wasn't the only place a women could go to have a late term abortion. Many hospitals will perform late term abortions if the mother's life is truly in danger. Dr. Tiller's clinic was the place a women went when her own doctors couldn't be convinced that the danger to her life was real enough to warrant a late term abortion.
The lawsuits Dr. Tiller often faced were because of the State law governing late term abortions. The law requires two other Doctors to independantly come to the same conclusions as Tiller regarding the health risk to the Mother if she was to carried the baby to term. The law says these Doctors can't be paid to support the abortion doctor's conclusions. Pro life groups observed that Tiller used the same two doctors to support all his late term abortion applications. They never found evidence of direct payments to these doctors but both of them benefited from other business associations(outside of medicine) with Dr. Tiller. The unsuccessful lawsuits were trying to argue that these sweet business arrangements were in fact payment for the doctor's support of Tillers late term abortions.
The lawsuits Dr. Tiller often faced were because of the State law governing late term abortions. The law requires two other Doctors to independantly come to the same conclusions as Tiller regarding the health risk to the Mother if she was to carried the baby to term. The law says these Doctors can't be paid to support the abortion doctor's conclusions. Pro life groups observed that Tiller used the same two doctors to support all his late term abortion applications. They never found evidence of direct payments to these doctors but both of them benefited from other business associations(outside of medicine) with Dr. Tiller. The unsuccessful lawsuits were trying to argue that these sweet business arrangements were in fact payment for the doctor's support of Tillers late term abortions.
What's your point besides ranting on about a failed lawsuit based on no evidence and a load of speculation?
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My post was in response to several posts by others who protrayed the shooter as a monster. Did you call any of them out for their narrow-minded world view? My post was intended to present the shooter's world view which I in part simpathize with. Of course it was narrow; It represented one opinion.
ernie the doctor owned the abortion clinic. His business is credited with providing 60 thousand abortions over the years. I highly doubt all 60 thousand abortions were late term although he no doubt has other doctors on the pay-roll who might do the earlier ones. Also, He wasn't the only place a women could go to have a late term abortion. Many hospitals will perform late term abortions if the mother's life is truly in danger. Dr. Tiller's clinic was the place a women went when her own doctors couldn't be convinced that the danger to her life was real enough to warrant a late term abortion.
The lawsuits Dr. Tiller often faced were because of the State law governing late term abortions. The law requires two other Doctors to independantly come to the same conclusions as Tiller regarding the health risk to the Mother if she was to carried the baby to term. The law says these Doctors can't be paid to support the abortion doctor's conclusions. Pro life groups observed that Tiller used the same two doctors to support all his late term abortion applications. They never found evidence of direct payments to these doctors but both of them benefited from other business associations(outside of medicine) with Dr. Tiller. The unsuccessful lawsuits were trying to argue that these sweet business arrangements were in fact payment for the doctor's support of Tillers late term abortions.
That narrow minded view that people in this thread have is "killing people is wrong and doesn't do a good job of getting your pro-life message across."
My post was in response to several posts by others who protrayed the shooter as a monster. Did you call any of them out for their narrow-minded world view?
1) Shooting someone to death outside of a war zone is murder and illegal.
2) Aborting a fetus is not illegal
