Tipping Etiquite [Split from the Money & Friends Thread]

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Which Safeway do you go to?

People put in energy to make your Pizza are there because they get paid salary. Its pretty simple. habernac put it nicely, you pay $25 for a pizza or whatever. Lets say $5 for the ingrediants, $20 for someone making it for you and in their kitchen.

If thats not enough and it sucks, just get another job. I don't get what all the bitching is about. Isn't Safeway paying like $12 an hr these days?

Remember what its like to be 15 or 16? You simply cannot "just get another job," because in all likelyhood its going to suck as much as the last one.

BTW 12/hr is sweet eff-all when you don't live with Mommy and Daddy.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by V

I had no idea there were drunks filling a pizza parlour. I need to get out more.

Again I say, there was the Pizza example of the CPers son who works by himself, and then the girls that work in the venue I engineer. Sorry if I mangled them together a little incoherently.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by V

I had no idea there were drunks filling a pizza parlour. I need to get out more.

head down to Wicked Wedge on 17th at 2 in the morning, lots of drunks at the pizza parlor there :P

[V]

And yet you've said the kid deserves a tip because it's hard work. I'm just explaining that a) no, it's really not that hard and b) who cares how hard a job is, that should not be a qualification for whether a person gets tipped or not.

And, as I've said, I've also worked in the service industry. And it's no picnic. But that doesn't change the fact that tipping is a very flawed system.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Remember what its like to be 15 or 16. You simply cannot "just get another job," because in all likelyhood its going to suck as much as the last one.

BTW 12/hr is sweet eff-all when you don't live with Mommy and Daddy.

So the bottom line is, people who work in service industry are either 15 or 16, or they need money?

My (ex) girlfriend was a server, and was pulling in over $120 a night in tips - thats over $30 an hr. And thats tax free too.

When you are 15-16, what exactly do you do that you need so much money? I remember when I was 15-16, I did a couple min wage jobs that I guess you could say are in the customer service industry. I got min wage, no tip, and I never bitched about not getting a tip.

[JiriHrdina]

^Car insurance/gas and just money to have a good time.

Many teens also have to save for college/university if their parents aren't covering it all. Depends on the situation.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

When you are 15-16, what exactly do you do that you need so much money?

Rent, bills, food, transit, and beer on Friday.

Not speaking of myself, but my girlfriend was in that situation most definately. Some people have a really unfair start by no fault of their own. She was working full time before she was 16. Don't really see a lot of it in a rich city like Calgary I guess. Which only compounds my argument for tipping. When you pick up Pizza in a 50,000 dollar truck you don't need and don't tip.......

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

When you are 15-16, what exactly do you do that you need so much money?

probably to buy more pot to smoke at work the next day

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^Car insurance/gas and just money to have a good time.

Many teens also have to save for college/university if their parents aren't covering it all. Depends on the situation.

If its for a car/gas, then hey its your own damn fault. I'm 23 and I don't have my own car (ie. I'm was a secondary driver on my parents insurance)

University - scholarships and student loans. For instance, I believe the Alexander Rutherford is $2,750 (over 2 years). I know specifically at UofA, $1,000 for above 80% and I believe a $5,000 for over 90% at the time I entered. Keep above 3.0 and you get another $1,000 for the following year. And thats not including the many different scholarships like Millenium, et al out there.

And then there's also student loans

For those who move out at 15-16 because they are in dire straights, good for them, but thats rare. (My ex-gf was one of them, very messy divorse where she was abandoned by both parties) But for the most part, I don't see why 15-16 year olds are moving out and living on their own.

[V]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Rent, bills, food, transit, and beer on Friday.

Not speaking of myself, but my girlfriend was in that situation most definately. Some people have a really unfair start by no fault of their own. She was working full time before she was 16. Don't really see a lot of it in a rich city like Calgary I guess. Which only compounds my argument for tipping. When you pick up Pizza in a 50,000 dollar truck you don't need and don't tip.......

What does this have to do with anything??

Are there no poor folks in Europe??

Poverty and tipping are two completely exclusive things.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Rent, bills, food, transit, and beer on Friday.

Not speaking of myself, but my girlfriend was in that situation most definately. Some people have a really unfair start by no fault of their own. She was working full time before she was 16. Don't really see a lot of it in a rich city like Calgary I guess. Which only compounds my argument for tipping. When you pick up Pizza in a 50,000 dollar truck you don't need and don't tip.......

Now you need to compare hard done by stories? I was as poor as you can be short of being homeless, but I worked at a low paying retail job and did the best I could (even refused a couple of tips, since my job was to provide good service) in order to save money and pay my way through school, in order to have skills that allow me to make more money....without relying on other peoples handouts (tips) to subsidize my income.

To be clear, I have no grudge against people in tipping professions, good for them. I don't like the sense of entitlement that quickly creeps in, or the terrible hypocrisy and inconsistency in who gets tips vs who doesn't.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

If its for a car/gas, then hey its your own damn fault. I'm 23 and I don't have my own car (ie. I'm was a secondary driver on my parents insurance)

University - scholarships and student loans. For instance, I believe the Alexander Rutherford is $2,750 (over 2 years). I know specifically at UofA, $1,000 for above 80% and I believe a $5,000 for over 90% at the time I entered. Keep above 3.0 and you get another $1,000 for the following year. And thats not including the many different scholarships like Millenium, et al out there.

And then there's also student loans

For those who move out at 15-16 because they are in dire straights, good for them, but thats rare. (My ex-gf was one of them, very messy divorse where she was abandoned by both parties) But for the most part, I don't see why 15-16 year olds are moving out and living on their own.

Each situation is different. I was lucky - my folks helped me with a good chunk of uni costs. I also shared a car with my sister. I worked part-time so I had some "play money".

Scholarships only go so far. I had the Rutherford and a couple others - and it helped but not enough. Some people also dont' want to go into debt to fund their education. Personal choice.

It's great you dont have your own car - some people choose to have one, others NEED one.

Everything is situational.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

If its for a car/gas, then hey its your own damn fault. I'm 23 and I don't have my own car (ie. I'm was a secondary driver on my parents insurance)

So you piggy-back your parents insurance at 23 years old? I mean, hell we all had to do it for a while, but geez....

I'm 25, well finished school and just got my first vehicle.

University - scholarships and student loans. For instance, I believe the Alexander Rutherford is $2,750 (over 2 years). I know specifically at UofA, $1,000 for above 80% and I believe a $5,000 for over 90% at the time I entered. Keep above 3.0 and you get another $1,000 for the following year. And thats not including the many different scholarships like Millenium, et al out there.

And then there's also student loans

Some people like to PAY for things BEFORE they get them, instead of just borrowing.

Hey, how about that for a "sense of entitlement" hey?

For those who move out at 15-16 because they are in dire straights, good for them, but thats rare. (My ex-gf was one of them, very messy divorse where she was abandoned by both parties) But for the most part, I don't see why 15-16 year olds are moving out and living on their own.

Like you said, because they had no other choice.

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Now you need to compare hard done by stories? I was as poor as you can be short of being homeless, but I worked at a low paying retail job and did the best I could (even refused a couple of tips, since my job was to provide good service) in order to save money and pay my way through school, in order to have skills that allow me to make more money....without relying on other peoples handouts (tips) to subsidize my income.

Good for you, holier-than-thou one.

To be clear, I have no grudge against people in tipping professions, good for them. I don't like the sense of entitlement that quickly creeps in, or the terrible hypocrisy and inconsistency in who gets tips vs who doesn't.

Unless you're working in the industry or have some stupid server/bartender/manager in your face, I don't think you really need to worry about it.

What does this have to do with anything??

Are there no poor folks in Europe??

Poverty and tipping are two completely exclusive things.

Phanuthier asked why 15-16 year olds need so much money. I cited a relevant story from which I have been affected.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Each situation is different. I was lucky - my folks helped me with a good chunk of uni costs. I also shared a car with my sister. I worked part-time so I had some "play money".

Scholarships only go so far. I had the Rutherford and a couple others - and it helped but not enough. Some people also dont' want to go into debt to fund their education. Personal choice.

It's great you dont have your own car - some people choose to have one, others NEED one.

Everything is situational.

Thank-you.

[V]

It still has nothing to do with tipping.

Honestly, the only good reason I find for tipping is that restaurants exploit their workers because of the tipping system, and by refusing to tip I could possibly keep that server from eating that night.

Seriously, the system is screwed up, but what do I accomplish by not tipping? I'm just no idealist, not like Devil's Advocate...

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by V

It still has nothing to do with tipping.

Honestly, the only good reason I find for tipping is that restaurants exploit their workers because of the tipping system, and by refusing to tip I could possibly keep that server from eating that night.

Seriously, the system is screwed up, but what do I accomplish by not tipping? I'm just no idealist, not like Devil's Advocate...

I agree the system is very flawed. No argument from me there.

Personally, I would like to see tipping abolished. Maybe when they legalize pot they can look at that too.

[bigtmac19]

Actually in my son's case, there are a lot of drunks in the pizza parlour. We live in a small town and it's the only place open after the bars close. He has been sworn at, threatened, physically threatened, etc. at work. He doesn't work to have play money. He needs to buy a car so he can get back and forth to school, which is in the city closest to us. He doesn't come from a wealthy family, has to do it all himself basically and he works damn hard. He's not a whiny kid he's worked since he was 13 in an even crappier job washing dishes on Friday and Saturday night seriously cutting into a normal teenage social life. Last year he worked 3 jobs at once, now he has two. So yes, that tip means a lot to him. If you don't want to give it that's your choice, I just don't agree.

[DuffMan]

So i was talking to a coworker today. and she said her 14 year old daughter has been working pt at a restaurant for about 2 months. She obviously isn't old enough to do much, so she is the hostess???, the girl that asks "how many" and then takes you to a seat.
So, all of the waitresses throw their tips into a kitty, and then it is split up at the end of the night. Her kid gets about $25 - $35 cash on a good night, which is a ton of money for a 14 year old girl.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

Actually in my son's case, there are a lot of drunks in the pizza parlour. We live in a small town and it's the only place open after the bars close. He has been sworn at, threatened, physically threatened, etc. at work. He doesn't work to have play money. He needs to buy a car so he can get back and forth to school, which is in the city closest to us. He doesn't come from a wealthy family, has to do it all himself basically and he works damn hard. He's not a whiny kid he's worked since he was 13 in an even crappier job washing dishes on Friday and Saturday night seriously cutting into a normal teenage social life. Last year he worked 3 jobs at once, now he has two. So yes, that tip means a lot to him. If you don't want to give it that's your choice, I just don't agree.

I wish I was half the man your son is going to turn out to be.

I can tell you're a proud father!

[V]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

Actually in my son's case, there are a lot of drunks in the pizza parlour. We live in a small town and it's the only place open after the bars close. He has been sworn at, threatened, physically threatened, etc. at work. He doesn't work to have play money. He needs to buy a car so he can get back and forth to school, which is in the city closest to us. He doesn't come from a wealthy family, has to do it all himself basically and he works damn hard. He's not a whiny kid he's worked since he was 13 in an even crappier job washing dishes on Friday and Saturday night seriously cutting into a normal teenage social life. Last year he worked 3 jobs at once, now he has two. So yes, that tip means a lot to him. If you don't want to give it that's your choice, I just don't agree.

I hope your kid's half as whiny as his dad is. Geez.

I get the strange urge to ask every employee of every business what their life story is, and rate just how hard their job is, to determine whether or not they should be tipped.

My assistant is a single mother. And she has to deal with me. Rough circumstances and a crappy job. I should probably tip her every day for doing her job well without complaining.

My brother's trying to get by as an electrician apprentice. He works his arse off and is trying to make enough money to get married and not start off too far behind. Maybe he just gets a little tip.

My uncle is on and off the streets. He doesn't work often, but when he does it's the kind of job that you wouldn't be caught dead doing. He should make a fortune in tips.