Kerry demands equal time on Sinclair broadcast

[RougeUnderoos]

Do you honestly believe this stuff or are you just making it up as you go? I can understand having a different viewpoint but c'mon man, now you are just being hysterical. John Kerry is a communist? I don't know how up on communist theory you are, but fabulously wealthy Ivy League lawyers married to billionaire heiresses are not in the handbook.

And you called him a hippie? That is laugh-out-loud funny. Yeah, John Kerry is a hippie, and I'm a founding member of the Black Panthers.

Fidel Castro is a threat to the United States? So is Kingston, Ontario.

You ever try to run any of this stuff by your social studies teacher?

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 21 2004, 06:37 PM
Do you honestly believe this stuff or are you just making it up as you go? I can understand having a different viewpoint but c'mon man, now you are just being hysterical. John Kerry is a communist? I don't know how up on communist theory you are, but fabulously wealthy Ivy League lawyers married to billionaire heiresses are not in the handbook.

And you called him a hippie? That is laugh-out-loud funny. Yeah, John Kerry is a hippie, and I'm a founding member of the Black Panthers.

Fidel Castro is a threat to the United States? So is Kingston, Ontario.

You ever try to run any of this stuff by your social studies teacher?

Castro is communist, so he is a threat. Communism brought us the the brink of nuclear war, so don't say its not a threat.

I never said Kerry was communist, all i said was that he was linked to it, and he deams it as not being a dangerous.

[dangler22]

Are you for real or just jerking everybodys chain. Come on man nobody can be this stupid.

Most of the time I at least grudgingly respect Tranny and Dis's viewpoints but you are truly nuts.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by sjwalter+Oct 21 2004, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sjwalter @ Oct 21 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Oct 21 2004, 06:37 PM
Do you honestly believe this stuff or are you just making it up as you go? I can understand having a different viewpoint but c'mon man, now you are just being hysterical. John Kerry is a communist? I don't know how up on communist theory you are, but fabulously wealthy Ivy League lawyers married to billionaire heiresses are not in the handbook.

And you called him a hippie? That is laugh-out-loud funny. Yeah, John Kerry is a hippie, and I'm a founding member of the Black Panthers.

Fidel Castro is a threat to the United States? So is Kingston, Ontario.

You ever try to run any of this stuff by your social studies teacher?

Castro is communist, so he is a threat. Communism brought us the the brink of nuclear war, so don't say its not a threat.

I never said Kerry was communist, all i said was that he was linked to it, and he deams it as not being a dangerous. [/b][/quote]
Okay, I'll stop arguing now. You've convinced me that John Kerry is a communist sympathizer looking to arm Iran with nuclear weapons, and Cuba is just days away from a full-scale military attack on the United States. I don't know how I could have missed it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 22 2004, 02:01 AM

Okay, I'll stop arguing now. You've convinced me that John Kerry is a communist sympathizer looking to arm Iran with nuclear weapons, and Cuba is just days away from a full-scale military attack on the United States. I don't know how I could have missed it.

Thanks for the sumarry 'Roos.

Now I don't have to read the last 2 pages that I 'missed'.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Oct 21 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Oct 21 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Oct 22 2004, 02:01 AM

Okay, I'll stop arguing now. You've convinced me that John Kerry is a communist sympathizer looking to arm Iran with nuclear weapons, and Cuba is just days away from a full-scale military attack on the United States. I don't know how I could have missed it.

Thanks for the sumarry 'Roos.

Now I don't have to read the last 2 pages that I 'missed'. [/b][/quote]
lol..........no kidding.

If Castro is a threat, what does that make North Korea?

How about the Communist Party of Canada?

How about my Commie neighbour? Yikes...........opening a can of worms here......

[kipperfan]

Originally posted by KootenayFlamesFan@Oct 22 2004, 02:40 AM
If Castro is a threat, what does that make North Korea?

Did you see that fall today???

Yeah a huge threat.

Cant even stay on his own feet. :unsure:

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by kipperfan@Oct 22 2004, 02:47 AM

Did you see that fall today???

Yeah a huge threat.

Cant even stay on his own feet. :unsure:

A threat to orthopedic nurses everywhere!

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Oct 21 2004, 07:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Oct 21 2004, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Castro is communist, so he is a threat. Communism brought us the the brink of nuclear war, so don't say its not a threat.

I never said Kerry was communist, all i said was that he was linked to it, and he deams it as not being a dangerous.

Okay, I'll stop arguing now. You've convinced me that John Kerry is a communist sympathizer looking to arm Iran with nuclear weapons, and Cuba is just days away from a full-scale military attack on the United States. I don't know how I could have missed it. [/b][/quote]
I never said Castro or Cuba would launch the attack. I'm saying that communism brought us to the brink of nuclear war, and Castro is communism. Take that any way you want.

I never said he was sympthaizer, only that he deemed it as not dangerous. As well take that any way you like.

[FlamesAddiction]

The threat of nuclear war came from both sides during the Cold War. Both sides were testing the other to see just how far they could be pushed, and both were projecting their power in each others backyards.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The communist leaders were the enemy Lanny, i don't care what you think of the war, Kerry does not have a right to meet with the enemy. He met with the enemy at a time of war, or just after the US had finished in Vietnam. Presidents meeting with communist leaders is a different matter, they have the power to be diplomatic. Kerry was a just a anti-war protesters, hippie and who knows what they talked about. Reagan met with the Russians but still stood them down when it came for that time, will Kerry be able to do that if China threateans way should Kerry get into the office, or would he still deam the as no dangerous threat. Sean Hannity as a sub 80 IQ but he still gets ton of support, i wonder why? Your views come from the radical left.

And why does a high profile civilian not have the right to meet with anyone of their choosing, including political leaders? The nation was divided and the support behind the war was actually the minority belief. The government refused to meet with the North Koreans, so civilians did their best to appeal to them through humanitarian visits. This was not the first time this has happened during a war either, so it wasn't exactly a ground breaking visit. I really have no idea what you expect people to do to aid the peace effort if protesting is wrong and doing humanitarian visitation is an afront to the war effort as well. It seems to me that the only way you can be behind the war effort is to be a good little mindless drone and shut your mouth as the government does something immoral. Sorry, that doesn't work for most people who have been part of the leadership fabric of their generation.

You're going to have to explain yourself. How the hell was Kerry a hippie? A young, Yale educated graduate from a prestegious upper class family who did two tours in Vietnam is hardly the description used on a hippie. Seems to me you don't have a clue what you are taking about.

Well thank God I'm on the "radical left" and not aligned with morons like Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. Sean Hannity's popularity actually predicates on the naivity if his audience. It does not take more thasn five minutes of listening to realize that you are not tuned into a show for intellectuals. The blatant stereotyping, slandering and lies (the other day he swore up and down to his audience that John Edwards promised during campaigning that if Kerry were President that people would spring up from their wheel chairs and walk again, twisting a quote way out of context) play to the extreme edge of the Conservative agenda. He, and his ilk, focuses on developing a sense of fear in the community and leveraging his listeners lack of understanding of the issues. The sad thing about him is that he is so uninformed and is so easily schooled on any topic he decides to pontificate on. Anyone remotely informed on the issues sees right through the smokescreen he continually sets and tunes him out. Hannity is popular because the majority of the right wing republicans are so poorly informed on the issues that they will swallow the crap he dishes out.

Castro isn't a threat? Maybe not but he stills run a type of government that governed the evil empire of the world. That makes him threat enough. Castro who invited the nuclear attack on the US by allowing missles to be brought into his country, but he still isn't a threat. Give Castro his chance, he would bomb the sh*t outta the States. And is all that Kerry cares about is looking good? I hope not because to me people that want everything to look good are pussies, afraid to do the job right, even if it means down and dirty. Communism might become the biggest threat to the American way of life. Look at China, they have become a world power or are soon to be, and who's to say they won't instigate World War 3? Then of course communism isn't a threat right. Castro isn't a threat then right?

Castro is not a threat. Cuba is not a threat. I would like YOU to explain to me how an Island state of 11 million people, that has no economy (GDP of $2,300 per capita), spends $570 million on military expenditures (1.8% of GDP) and has not had any military aid from anyone since 1993, could be considered a threat? The majority of Cuba is living in the 1960's. They are no match for anyone economically, militarily or even socially. Communism is a failed ideology for the most part. How can you consider taking on a country that spends more on military than your country's GDP is at anything? Get serious.

And what the hell is Cuba going to bomb the United States with? Their airforce is made up of MIG-23 Floggers (25 operational), an airframe that has not been viable for fifteen to twenty years. Good God man, a single squadron of F-15's could take out the Cuban air defenses in short order and open up the country to an easy invasion. America has no worries from a broken down military who has no aid or backing from another nation. How the HELL would Cuba bomb the sh*t out of America???

Communism is NOT a threat. It is a FAILED ideology. The Chinese, yes those heathens that are about to start WWIII, are struggling to hold on to control of their country and are doing everything they can to slowly integrate capitalism into their government systems. The Chinese system is spread so thin that they even realize that they cannot sustain their present form of governance. They are getting hooked on developing an export economy which means they cannot war on their biggest customers. The Chinese are being pushed into a corner where communism will fail and they will be forced to open up their country to true capitalism in the near future.

You really need to understand that economics is a greater threat to a country in this world than any military weapon. If you can hook into a country's economy you have created a dependancy that prevents aggression. Maybe this is too complex an issue for you to grasp, as you're looking at things in a 1975 view, but I think you really need to take a step back and do some thinking. You are so off base that its not even funny. You're the type of guy that the Republicans like because you think that the war machine is how you solve problems. This simplistic view is exactly why we are in the situation we are. Problems are not solved at the end of a gun. Remember that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 22 2004, 03:38 AM
The Chinese, yes those heathens that are about to start WWIII, are struggling to hold on to control of their country and are doing everything they can to slowly integrate capitalism into their government systems. The Chinese system is spread so thin that they even realize that they cannot sustain their present form of governance. They are getting hooked on developing an export economy which means they cannot war on their biggest customers. The Chinese are being pushed into a corner where communism will fail and they will be forced to open up their country to true capitalism in the near future.

China is slowing adjusting their country away from communism. They just don't want to make the same mistake Russia did an completely crash their economy. Some areas of China are barely communist at all any more.

Whether or not they democratize is another question.

China has traditionally stayed in their own sphere of influence and have shown little or no aggression in the western hemisphere.

[sjwalter]

Hey Lanny what do you think of this?

Out of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

What did he really do when he met with the Viet Cong?

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+Oct 21 2004, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ Oct 21 2004, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 22 2004, 03:38 AM
The Chinese, yes those heathens that are about to start WWIII, are struggling to hold on to control of their country and are doing everything they can to slowly integrate capitalism into their government systems.# The Chinese system is spread so thin that they even realize that they cannot sustain their present form of governance.# They are getting hooked on developing an export economy which means they cannot war on their biggest customers.# The Chinese are being pushed into a corner where communism will fail and they will be forced to open up their country to true capitalism in the near future.

China is slowing adjusting their country away from communism. They just don't want to make the same mistake Russia did an completely crash their economy. Some areas of China are barely communist at all any more.

Whether or not they democratize is another question.

China has traditionally stayed in their own sphere of influence and have shown little or no aggression in the western hemisphere. [/b][/quote]
Oh if you are wonderiny, my social teacher told me that he thinks that China will evolve into a democractic country within time. He might be right because i don't think China wants the people to uprise and cause a revolution. Freedom is slowly advancing and the North American way is slowly being adopted, like Hooters opened today in China for the first time.

But i don't really know if it will happen like that, China and the US have a conflict on interests and it might turn into a war.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 23 2004, 05:21 PM
Freedom is slowly advancing and the North American way is slowly being adopted, like Hooters opened today in China for the first time.

That is the greatest line I've ever read on the OT board and I hope you don't mind if I use it as my "sig".

[FlamesAddiction]

Democracy would be hard to establish in a country with 1.3 billion, and over 100 different languages and ethnic groups spread over an area almost the size of the United States - many of which do not hold much cultural value in democracy.

[sjwalter]

As in democratic i mean in freedom of religon, speech, and all the things we enjoy.

Up to you Rouge.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 23 2004, 11:17 PM
Hey Lanny what do you think of this?

Out of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

What did he really do when he met with the Viet Cong?

What do I think? About what? Are you trying to say that Kerry aided and gave comfort to the enemy? If you are, there's nothing to say. It gives me an indication what your understanding of the war was and means there is no reason to discuss this matter with you any longer. You have a predisposition to believing anything that anyone says against Kerry, rather than using the history of the conflict and that of the people lin question to define your own opinion. To me it sounds like you have someone telling you mis-truths (your social studies teacher?) and he's not allowing you to make up your own mind and expanding your understanding of all sides of the issue. That's what I think.

[CaramonLS]

The communist leaders were the enemy Lanny, i don't care what you think of the war, Kerry does not have a right to meet with the enemy. He met with the enemy at a time of war, or just after the US had finished in Vietnam. Presidents meeting with communist leaders is a different matter, they have the power to be diplomatic. Kerry was a just a anti-war protesters, hippie and who knows what they talked about. Reagan met with the Russians but still stood them down when it came for that time, will Kerry be able to do that if China threateans way should Kerry get into the office, or would he still deam the as no dangerous threat. Sean Hannity as a sub 80 IQ but he still gets ton of support, i wonder why? Your views come from the radical left.

Lanny maybe you can help me out... but what is the name of that movie with the Macnamera during the Vietnam war... when MacNamera finally after many many year decided to meet witht he Vietnam Deglation (sometime in the 90s), both of them had COMPLETELY different perceptions of the war. The North Vietnam leader at the time told Macnamera (this was in the 90s) that he thought the Americans were trying to take over North Vietnam and Occupy it... He said they would fight until the final man died before they would give up their country. MacNamera was completely shocked when he heard that and said they were trying to Liberate them from the communists and the Chinese... The Korean Dictator replied "we hate the chinese, why would be let them be out allies?"

This was a great movie about the Nam war... worth watching, but my point is when the governments don't even understand eachothers positions on the war itself... I dont care who goes to meet who... something needs to be done.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 23 2004, 05:17 PM
Hey Lanny what do you think of this?

Out of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

What did he really do when he met with the Viet Cong?

Do you think that lowly of the United States government to believe that they would not have picked up on this treason by now? Shame on you sjwalter! Shame on you!

The United States is a wonderful country, but here you are accusing them of being a bunch of morons and not even knowing their own laws. It really is disgusting. You should be apologizing to our American brothers and sisters for such a grievous insult.

Bah! Never mind you, sjwalter, I'll do it for all of us, this just can't wait:

On behalf of all Canadians (except sjwalter), I apologize for any inference that you are too dumb to figure out your own laws and Consitution.



ps: sjwalter, you should also apologize personally. I'm sure my apology on behalf of the Canadian people smoothed some ruffled feathers, but they would probably like to hear it from the insulter himself.