Hi, I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

I hate these commercials.. they're ######ed to me. Are they advertising the OS? or what? Because you can do pretty much everything on a PC, it's just not out of the box ready.

Mac is for noobs, with that said i'd buy a Macbook just for something different. But saying the PC is just for crunching numbers, ect is lame...

Oh yeah, Mac... how's the gaming going?? Oh... you don't have any? That's a shame.

I know you'll find this hard to grasp, but there are people who actually do WORK on a computer. I know, its bizarre. Being able to play games does not make a good computer.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR A**!!!

Macs HAVE a scroll wheel...and it rolls 360 degrees...kicking the hell out of the PC mice.

The right click is done by pressing the ctrl key. It's the exact same.

Ugh.

Its called Intellimouse I think. I have one. Kicks ass.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I wrote this over of the Devils forum. Most of the issues have already been brought up:


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I love my Mac and most likely will buy another (like I said, my current Mac was purchased *7* years ago, so I'm well overdue for an upgrade).

As for the ad campaign, I've had dozens of PC users come up and discuss them with me (as I am somehow know as "The Mac Guy" at work... it isn't just Mac users that pigeonhole themselves into the Cult of Mac - mention ONCE at work that you have a Mac and suddenly you *are* the guru of all things Apple; as if I am a spokesman for the company). The fact that people who don't typically give a second thought to Apple are talking about them must be what the company is aiming for. I hear sales are up which is probably why they doubled the number of ads, but other analysts think that maybe people happy with their iPods gave Apple their computer business as well.

This is what this topic needed, a person that uses both a Mac and a PC. So far everyone on here has been saying I use a Mac and it is the best or I use a PC and it is the best, nobody has said I use both and this is what is good and bad about both.
I am a PC user through and through, does that meen that I will never cross into the dark side and use a Mac, no. In fact I would like to own a Mac as well and put it right beside my PC so that I can have the best of both worlds. I am in IT and I will admit that PC's are not perfect and I have also supported Macs (no where near as much as PC's but...) I have seen issues with them as well. So no system is perfect, it is like anything out there.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

This is what this topic needed, a person that uses both a Mac and a PC. So far everyone on here has been saying I use a Mac and it is the best or I use a PC and it is the best, nobody has said I use both and this is what is good and bad about both.
I am a PC user through and through, does that meen that I will never cross into the dark side and use a Mac, no. In fact I would like to own a Mac as well and put it right beside my PC so that I can have the best of both worlds. I am in IT and I will admit that PC's are not perfect and I have also supported Macs (no where near as much as PC's but...) I have seen issues with them as well. So no system is perfect, it is like anything out there.

Well I guess I should have clarified that I have had to use both platforms for work in the past. I think my assessment would be unfair to PC's though because I have worked in the graphics industry for a long time now and there are some fundamental problems with Windows and what I do for a living. It just wasn't designed to handle huge amounts of fonts and massive post script files.

[Superflyer]

Also on the topic of why MS is hacked and has way more viruses then any other OS out there, it is because hackers want to be known as the guy\girl that took down the giant.
It all started many years ago when MS started becoming the giant that it is and started wiping out other companies like they were nothing. Hackers started coming up with ways to attack them because they thought that no one company should rule the roost like MS was doing.
Now a days things are a little diffrent but kind of the same, now hackers want the fame that comes with taking MS out. Does anyone remember the blaster virus a few years ago, I know I will not forget it. The guy that wrote that went to jail for a few years but not before signing a large contract for work with a virus protection company. Now this is becoming the norm and now releasing a virus is more of a resume then an attack against "the man".

[ernie]

Personally I find the ads annoying. All I want to do is smack the Mac guy.

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Also on the topic of why MS is hacked and has way more viruses then any other OS out there, it is because hackers want to be known as the guy\girl that took down the giant.
It all started many years ago when MS started becoming the giant that it is and started wiping out other companies like they were nothing. Hackers started coming up with ways to attack them because they thought that no one company should rule the roost like MS was doing.
Now a days things are a little diffrent but kind of the same, now hackers want the fame that comes with taking MS out. Does anyone remember the blaster virus a few years ago, I know I will not forget it. The guy that wrote that went to jail for a few years but not before signing a large contract for work with a virus protection company. Now this is becoming the norm and now releasing a virus is more of a resume then an attack against "the man".

That concept is hilarious...take down the company first, then apply to work for them, lol.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

That concept is hilarious...take down the company first, then apply to work for them, lol.

Why? It happens all the time in the security industry. You want to hire the people that are able to crack your security. Why do this? Because the people who are cracking the security are smarter than the people who are creating the security measures. And you want the smarter people to work for you, to help you prevent your security from getting cracked again.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

That concept is hilarious...take down the company first, then apply to work for them, lol.

It is not MS that is hiring them it is companies like Symantec, McAfee, Sunbelt etc.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by arsenal

If you want your windows pc to be "hijacked" less, don't run as administrator. That will not allow any virus or such to install itself globally on your PC. All it will be able to do is destroy your own files. That's one of the reasons why Macs and *NIX machines seem so secure. It's not that the OS is more secure, it's that your "user" process doesn't have global permissions to wreak havoc on your pc.
Run your Windows PC as a user with out administrator permissions, and you will be fine.

And for those that care, Windows Vista is an amazing OS. I haven't tried OSX or any of the latest *NIX systems. But MS has done alot of good things with Vista. Very good product.

Thanks for posting this.. This is what so many people glaze over. It's more the USER than the operating system that creates virus problems.

Mac users/linux users.. imagine if you ran as the root user on your computer all the time.. That's about the equivalent.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

Also on the topic of why MS is hacked and has way more viruses then any other OS out there, it is because hackers want to be known as the guy\girl that took down the giant.
It all started many years ago when MS started becoming the giant that it is and started wiping out other companies like they were nothing. Hackers started coming up with ways to attack them because they thought that no one company should rule the roost like MS was doing.
Now a days things are a little diffrent but kind of the same, now hackers want the fame that comes with taking MS out. Does anyone remember the blaster virus a few years ago, I know I will not forget it. The guy that wrote that went to jail for a few years but not before signing a large contract for work with a virus protection company. Now this is becoming the norm and now releasing a virus is more of a resume then an attack against "the man".

As stated numerous times above, they are not the giant you think they are in many areas. The premise is faulty.

A lot of the vulerabilities are proof of concept and most don't exsist anywhere in the real world. Most if not all require multiple user actions or being logged in as root. I challenge any Mac users here to tell this board how to enable the root account and then log in. Most users don't know how and have no reason to. This is not something you can do in error. Even as an admin account, you will promted at least twice that it is an application and not pictures of Jessica Simpson.

This is how Windows Vista works. Why will it work this way? It is more secure.

[Flame On]

I work in IT and in an environment where both are used.
PC's perhaps have more problems, but they're more easily fixed.
Macs don't behave well in the system either.
The mac users need to be hand held more too and making a sweeping geralization, I think that's part of the attraction of a MAC.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by peter12

So the system that more hackers choose to exploit is the better operating system... ok.

So you're saying that Madagascar is a better country because more terrorsists choose to attack the States?

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Flame On

So you're saying that Madagascar is a better country because more terrorsists choose to attack the States?

No but Madagascar is hell of alot easier to exploit than the US, they don't have George W and the republicans to protect them.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Good post Devil's Advocate,
I also use both, and agree on all points except 1:
#2 - No, the operating system rarely, if ever, crashes. But all the applications do. And they do weird freaky things that you don't really want them to do. Finding half-way reliable software out there - even in terms of a simple web browser - is incredibly hard. I've settled on Firefox and it crashes once a day.

I'm not sure if your mac is the excpetion or mine is, but the single most beneficial thing about my Mac is not getting program crashes.

I have had my ibook G4 for about 8 months now, and I use it for atleast 2-3 hours a day.
To date I have only had a program crash or freeze on metwice and I have never had the system crash. Maybe it's just me, but I find that stat remarkable and it is the single biggest reason I love my Mac.

When I use my PC or any PC, I'm used to getting program crashes almost daily or atleast weekly.

Oddly enough, the only 2 crashes I've had on my Mac were in Microsoft programs. Once in Word and once in MSN messenger.

Not sure why your web browsers screw up. I use Safari and Firefox and have never had a crash with either. The only issue I have with Safari is that some sites don't support it.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm not sure if your mac is the excpetion or mine is, but the single most beneficial thing about my Mac is not getting program crashes.

Maybe it is because I'm using 2006 software on a 1999 Mac. In any case, I find Firefox will freeze, give me a spinning wheel and eventually close, and then pops up the "Talkback" window for bugs. I've gotten a lot less lock-ups since downloading the latest version, but now I have new "features"; my windows sometimes get locked behind the menu bar and I can't get to the close window button and other times I can't move a window at all. I'll drag it from one corner of the screen to the other and it just snaps back to where it started.

Final Cut Pro closes right out after I do a direct capture, iDVD burnt me some wonderful coasters and in iTunes if I was importing a disc with a scratch on it, it would just lock up. I couldn't even "force quit". I had to reboot the system.

Worst of all were the games. I saved every 5 minutes playing Baldurs Gate because I'd end up back at the desktop more often than I'd kill a kobold. Neverwinter Nights wasn't much better.

Now these are frivilous complaints compared to the frustration I used to have with the "blue screen of death", mostly coming when I had 5 minutes before class and I forgot to turn autosave on while typing up my advanced organic chemistry lab report. And perhaps my old hardware (gray G4) is contributing to the odd behaviour. But I can only speak from my own experience and say that some of the apps could have been more bulletproof.

[tjinaz]

I am in IT and think the Mac is a marvelous piece of equipment for the home user. If they weren't so expensive I was going to buy one for my wife to use at home. It suits her needs perfectly. But Macs don't work so good in business at least in the corporate setting. I worked with Macs even way back when they had the Quadra series servers and ran appletalk natively. Problem is now that the business world is deeply rooted in MS now. It is not the workstations that are the problem it is all the backoffice applications that are built for use on PCs. To put a Mac in is not cost effective since it blows out all of your automations, scripting and standards. All of my network tools were designed with MS in mind. I can automate the patching of software and updates on all my PCs with the push of one button. I can reimage a PC for a new user in 20 minutes. There are simply no tools that I know of for Macs that have that functionality and don't tell me you don't have to patch the apps or reimage because it is a mac. You have to patch and maintain all software.

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by Barnes

As stated numerous times above, they are not the giant you think they are in many areas. The premise is faulty.

A lot of the vulerabilities are proof of concept and most don't exsist anywhere in the real world. Most if not all require multiple user actions or being logged in as root. I challenge any Mac users here to tell this board how to enable the root account and then log in. Most users don't know how and have no reason to. This is not something you can do in error. Even as an admin account, you will promted at least twice that it is an application and not pictures of Jessica Simpson.

This is how Windows Vista works. Why will it work this way? It is more secure.

Its not secure at all... all it is, is annoying. End users will read it once or twice then completely ignore it for the rest of their lives (like they do now).


An operating system shouldn't popup a window saying this could affect the security of your computer EVERY FREAKING TIME you want to do anything (that was how it was in the beta of vista for me).

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by cSpooge

An operating system shouldn't popup a window saying this could affect the security of your computer EVERY FREAKING TIME you want to do anything (that was how it was in the beta of vista for me).

Nothing has changed in the retail version either

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Worst of all were the games. I saved every 5 minutes playing Baldurs Gate because I'd end up back at the desktop more often than I'd kill a kobold. Neverwinter Nights wasn't much better.

You actually found a game for a mac?!