Today in History

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I'm sure you've read the books by Antony Beevor. He's hugely criticized by Russian historians because of his description of the raping and pillaging of the Red Army on their path to Berlin. But I find it hard to deny honestly. Look at who made up the 1st Ukrainian and 1st Belorussian fronts.. hordes of men from the Eastern reaches of the Soviet Union.. hardly civilized.

I've read his stuff, and found it to be quite good. I also don't disagree that the Russian Red Army committed some pretty heinous acts against German Civillians, especially with thier rear guard occupational formations which were little more then savages with guns. There was raping, and there was rampant slaughter, and a lot of it was because of the institutional rage that the Red Army felt after witnessing the destruction that the German's laid down in thier country. However if you look at the reputations of the two militaries, its often emphasized that the German Army was fairly professional in its conduct, while the specialized SS formations did the majority of the atrocities. In fact the German regular army did as many or more hideous things to the Russian Civillians that stayed behind then the Red Army did in Germany. But the Russian's have been fairly demonized by thier behaviour in victory. Its a prime example of the victors not writing history from thier perspective.

At the end of the day, with the fact that the world is getting smaller and more diverse, you won't see the axion that the "Victor's write the history"

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At the end of the day, with the fact that the world is getting smaller and more diverse, you won't see the axion that the "Victor's write the history"

I agree, now it's who controls the media and who has the best press agent.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I agree, now it's who controls the media and who has the best press agent.

oh yeah.

seconded.

media control is absolutely everything, the infowar.

[TimSJ]

Jan 4 1961
Schrödinger is half dead today.

Jan 4 1964
The Boston Strangler Albert DeSalvo kills his final victim, Mary Sullivan, age 19, at her Charles Street apartment.

Jan 4 1984
Wayne ‘The Great One’ Gretzky scored eight goals for the second time in his National Hockey League (NHL) career. Edmonton’s Oilers defeated the Minnesota North Stars, 12-8.

Jan 4 1986
Phil Lynott, founder of heavy metal band "Thin Lizzy", dies from heart failure brought on by a drug overdose.

Jan 4 1997
Rumors run rampant through Israel, particularly over talk radio, that a UFO will land at Tel Aviv on the following day. The predictions are purported to have been made by spoonbender Uri Geller. Thousands flock to the beaches, but no saucers.

[Frank the Tank]

Jan 4 1997
Rumors run rampant through Israel, particularly over talk radio, that a UFO will land at Tel Aviv on the following day. The predictions are purported to have been made by spoonbender Uri Geller. Thousands flock to the beaches, but no saucers.[/QUOTE]


Ah, perhaps the greatest con artist in history! Spent a fortune sueing Canadian James Randi, who devoted his life to exposing these frauds.

[Frank the Tank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7j...related&search

Here is a clip of James Randi, my hero. Its long, but well worth it.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7j...related&search

Here is a clip of James Randi, my hero. Its long, but well worth it.

He is great. You can watch of bunch of his recent lectures on Google Video. Very smart and funny guy.

[604flames]

Jan. 4, 1997: The Flames mount a 3-goal, third period comeback on goals by Ed Ward, Robert Reichel and Jonas Hoglund to defeat the San Jose Sharks 4-3 at San Jose Arena. Theo Fleury also scored for Calgary, while Viktor Kozlov, Bernie Nicholls and Shean Donovan replied for the Sharks. San Jose forward Tony Granato was ejected in the third period after being assessed a spearing major.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

Jan 4 1984
Wayne ‘The Great One’ Gretzky scored eight goals for the second time in his National Hockey League (NHL) career. Edmonton’s Oilers defeated the Minnesota North Stars, 12-8.

Was Dwayne Roloson playing for them back then......

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Was Dwayne Roloson playing for them back then......

probably mike liut, that guy was like gretzky's personal backyard balloon goalie.

EDIT: 8 goals? is that right?

[604flames]

Minnesota's goaltenders that season were Gilles Meloche and Don Beaupre.

And Gretz scored 4 goals + 4 assists that night for 8 points. The NHL record for goals in a game is 7 set by Joe Malone, 01.31.1920.

[Nufy]

I missed the Minnesota reference.

I was thinking more about the Oilers letting 8 goals....

Typical Rollie performance lately....

[604flames]

That game, Jan. 4, 1984, is tied for the second most goals scored by both teams in one game (20). The record is 21, set by the Montreal Canadiens and Toronto St. Pats (14-7 Montreal) 01.10.1920. The Oilers and Blackhawks also did it Dec. 11, 1985: a 12-9 Edmonton win at Chicago Stadium.

[TimSJ]

Jan 5 1919
The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is founded by Anton Drexler and others at the Furstenfelder Hof tavern in Munich. So much of early Nazi history seems to center around beer halls and homosexuals.

Jan 5 1920
Boston Red Sox trade Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees.

Jan 5 1967
Two buses of pilgrims collide south of Manila, Philippines, killing 83 in the worst traffic accident thus far.

Jan 5 1981
The Yorkshire Ripper, murderer of 13 women, is arrested. Peter Sutcliffe concentrated mostly on hookers, but still managed to terrorize mainstream England in the late 1970's and early 1980's.

Jan 5 1995
Connie Chung broadcasts Kathleen Gingrich's opinion of Hillary Clinton: bitch. We suspect it's merely a case of the pot calling the kettle black, and you can include Connie Chung in that.

Jan 5 1996
In Gaza, Israeli intelligence agents blow off the head of terrorist Yahya Ayyash, The Engineer, with a remote control cellphone bomb using plastic explosives. Ayyash purportedly ran the Hamas military wing, and was a proficient bomb maker; 100,000 people attended his funeral.

Jan 5 1998
Congressman Sonny Bono dead from blunt force trauma to his head after a direct collision with a pine tree at Heavenly Valley Ski Area. He is survived by his lesbian daughter Chastity and three other children

[fanforever1986]

Jan 5 2007 Flames Fans wait impatiantly to learn the extent of Team Leader Jarome Iginlas Injury.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

Jan 5 1998
Congressman Sonny Bono dead from blunt force trauma to his head after a direct collision with a pine tree at Heavenly Valley Ski Area. He is survived by his lesbian daughter Chastity and three other children

I'm not sure why, but the fact that he died in "Heavenly Valley" really made me laugh. I'm disturbed. And why mention his "lesbian daughter". Why isn't it just his daughter? Who cares if she munches rug?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by TimSJ

Jan 5 1919
The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is founded by Anton Drexler and others at the Furstenfelder Hof tavern in Munich. So much of early Nazi history seems to center around beer halls and homosexuals.

oh yeah.

the original propogandists for the party in the 20s were pornographers and jew-baiters (strange term from back then), real odd individuals.

the public image of national socialism was anti-homosexual and the sexual leanings of the SA leaders was used against them as an excuse for the night of the long knives when the SS rounded them all up, executing a large number and jailing the rest.

homosexuals were among the other targeted groups for concentration camps and later death camps, along with jews, gypsies, communists, etc.

but the high party officials and the court mystics etc. still maintained some kind of warrior-homosexuality, this is something that has hung around the elite class of western culture since greek times.

these days in the states it's referred to as 'the velvet mafia', it's alluded to in the movie 'JFK' and many other strange little bits and pieces in movies etc.

very strange to hear all this 'family value' and gay bashing language from those that lead these double lives, jeez that congressman that was just busted for sexual instant messages was the leader of the missing child foundation!

[604flames]

Jan. 5/89: Joe Mullen scored 4 times, giving him 26 goals on the season, as the Flames win a barn-burner, 8-6 against the Los Angeles Kings at the 'Dome. Doug Gilmour added a goal and three assists, and Joel Otto, Brad McCrimmon, and Colin Patterson also scored for Calgary. Former Flame John Tonelli scored twice for LA, and Bernie Nicholls, Igor Liba, Doug Crossman, and Dave Taylor added singles.

[TimSJ]

Jan 6 1930
The first diesel-engine automobile trip was completed after a run of 792 miles from Indianapolis, IN, to New York City, NY.

Jan 6 1952
"Peanuts" debuted in Sunday papers across the United States.

Jan 6 1969
Future Governor of Georgia Jimmy Carter sees an Unidentified Flying Object in Leary, GA. Also witnessing the craft are his fellow Lions Club members. But the strangest part about this is, it was Carter and not Governor Jerry Brown.

Jan 6 1975
"Wheel of Fortune" premieres with host Chuck Woolery. (Pat Sajak will join the show in 1981.)

Jan 6 1977
The Sex Pistols lose their EMI recording contract after a television host encourages them to spout obscenities on the air.

Jan 6 1982
William G Bonin, the truck driving "Freeway Killer", convicted in Los Angeles. He had murdered 14 boys and young men.

Jan 6 1993
Russian ballet dancer Rudolf Nureyev dead from AIDS.

Jan 6 1994
Figure skater Nancy Kerrigan is attacked in the knees by a man in Detroit wielding a collapsible baton. It is later determined that her inferior rival Tonya Harding and her boyfriend were responsible for the attack.

Jan 6 1998
Vandals decapitate the bronze "Little Mermaid" statue in Copenhagen harbor. It is the first decapitation of the famous Edvar Eriksen statue since 1964, and the incident has the city horrified.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9w7j...related&search

Here is a clip of James Randi, my hero. Its long, but well worth it.

he's on Penn & Teller's Bull##### show all the time, great guy