Photo fraud; Reutergate et.al.

[HOZ]

For all those that keep repeating the mantra that Beirut is destroyed....

Yes you know the JOOOOS WWII style carpet bombing of all of Beirut please read. About 95% of Bierut is untouched.

Metula News Agancy

The most hypocritical people on earth
By Michael Béhé in Beirut

Lebanon a victim? What a joke!

Before the Israeli attack, Lebanon no longer existed, it was no more than a hologram. At Beirut innocent citizens like myself were forbidden access to certain areas of their own capital. But our police, our army and our judges were also excluded. That was the case, for example, of Hezbollah’s and the Syrians’ command zone in the Haret Hreik quarter (in red on the satellite map). A square measuring a kilometer wide, a capital within the capital, permanently guarded by a Horla army [1], possessing its own institutions, its schools, its crèches, its tribunals, its radio, its television and, above all… its government. A “government” that, alone decided, in the place of the figureheads of the Lebanese government – in which Hezbollah also had its ministers! – to attack a neighboring state, with which we had no substantial or grounded quarrel, and to plunge US into a bloody conflict. And if attacking a sovereign nation on its territory, assassinating eight of its soldiers, kidnapping two others and, simultaneously, launching missiles on nine of its towns does not constitute a casus belli, the latter juridical principle will seriously need revising.

Thus almost all of these cowardly politicians, including numerous shiah leaders and religious personalities themselves, are blessing each bomb that falls from a Jewish F-16 turning the insult to our sovereignty that was Haret Hreik, right in the heart of Beirut, into a lunar landscape. Without the Israelis, how could we have received another chance – that we in no way deserve! – to rebuild our country?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by HOZ

For all those that keep repeating the mantra that Beirut is destroyed....

Yes you know the JOOOOS WWII style carpet bombing of all of Beirut please read. About 95% of Bierut is untouched.

Metula News Agancy

The most hypocritical people on earth
By Michael Béhé in Beirut

Lebanon a victim? What a joke!

Before the Israeli attack, Lebanon no longer existed, it was no more than a hologram. At Beirut innocent citizens like myself were forbidden access to certain areas of their own capital. But our police, our army and our judges were also excluded. That was the case, for example, of Hezbollah’s and the Syrians’ command zone in the Haret Hreik quarter (in red on the satellite map). A square measuring a kilometer wide, a capital within the capital, permanently guarded by a Horla army [1], possessing its own institutions, its schools, its crèches, its tribunals, its radio, its television and, above all… its government. A “government” that, alone decided, in the place of the figureheads of the Lebanese government – in which Hezbollah also had its ministers! – to attack a neighboring state, with which we had no substantial or grounded quarrel, and to plunge US into a bloody conflict. And if attacking a sovereign nation on its territory, assassinating eight of its soldiers, kidnapping two others and, simultaneously, launching missiles on nine of its towns does not constitute a casus belli, the latter juridical principle will seriously need revising.

Thus almost all of these cowardly politicians, including numerous shiah leaders and religious personalities themselves, are blessing each bomb that falls from a Jewish F-16 turning the insult to our sovereignty that was Haret Hreik, right in the heart of Beirut, into a lunar landscape. Without the Israelis, how could we have received another chance – that we in no way deserve! – to rebuild our country?

They wont believe you.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The international media is out to get Israel and make them look bad! Definitely a conspiracy!

BTW... Metula News Agency has a very BIG reputation of being Israeli friendly and has been considered propaganda by some. So you did do one thing HOZ, you provided some of that evidence you were challenged to produce earlier in the thread. You go girl friend!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

They wont believe you.

No comment from you on the satellite image? Come on, someone with your supposed expertise should be all over that like a fat chick on a smarty. Why no comment there?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by HOZ

For all those that keep repeating the mantra that Beirut is destroyed....

Yes you know the JOOOOS WWII style carpet bombing of all of Beirut please read. About 95% of Bierut is untouched.

Are you seriously using this as a justification?

By that logic, all the damage caused by the Hezbollah rockets on N.Israel are merely a scratch; that the WTC only killed 3000 people out of 10 million...human suffering cannot be put into words, esp. if you are the one who has suffered it.

[RedMan12]

holy ****. You mean the media lies?

Anyone working graphic design or in the media could of told you this. Every single picture in magazines and newspapers is photoshoped to look better or props or whatever is added.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

holy ****. You mean the media lies?

Anyone working graphic design or in the media could of told you this. Every single picture in magazines and newspapers is photoshoped to look better or props or whatever is added.

To look better yes, but not to dictate the opinion of the West, based on the pictures they see.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

To look better yes, but not to dictate the opinion of the West, based on the pictures they see.

Oh no?

Army report confirms Psy-ops staged Saddam statue toppling

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Oh no?

Army report confirms Psy-ops staged Saddam statue toppling

Indeed. What does that have anything to do with changing pictures?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Azure

Indeed. What does that have anything to do with changing pictures?

the initial post (and link) brought up the point of staging or adding props in photographs, so the entire staging of the Saddam statue toppling is exactly the same.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the initial post (and link) brought up the point of staging or adding props in photographs, so the entire staging of the Saddam statue toppling is exactly the same.

The photo's I saw were Photo-shopped....

Either way, I would EXPECT pysops to do what they did. Their job is to influence the public into believing certain things. It is NOT the media's job to change pictures.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

The photo's I saw were Photo-shopped....

Either way, I would EXPECT pysops to do what they did. Their job is to influence the public into believing certain things. It is NOT the media's job to change pictures.

The original link talks about staging photos by adding props. Adding flags and staging an action (that was staged to look impromptu) are the same thing.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The international media is out to get Israel and make them look bad! Definitely a conspiracy!

BTW... Metula News Agency has a very BIG reputation of being Israeli friendly and has been considered propaganda by some. So you did do one thing HOZ, you provided some of that evidence you were challenged to produce earlier in the thread. You go girl friend!

As always Lanny you attack the source and not the message. It seems the only decent source, in your mind of course, are the ones that support your position.

Reminds me of the time you shot down another source I provided because it was supposedly some Neo-con think tank. Then you provide a separate source, with the proper Lanny seal of approval, with the same information.

Please back your statement up that MENA has a BIG rep for supporting Israel? Is it similar to the one where AP is anti-Israeli?

And as for your idiotic challenge...did you not read my response?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The original link talks about staging photos by adding props. Adding flags and staging an action (that was staged to look impromptu) are the same thing.

Staging an action that was required, and asked for, is the same thing as adding flags and props to make pictures look more appealing?

Like I said before, pysops 'does' that sort of thing, and it doesn't suprise me that they would topple the statue of Saddam.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Azure

Staging an action that was required, and asked for, is the same thing as adding flags and props to make pictures look more appealing?

Like I said before, pysops 'does' that sort of thing, and it doesn't suprise me that they would topple the statue of Saddam.

So I guess that means Hezbollah staging or propping their images to generate empathy for their cause is expected too then?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

The photo's I saw were Photo-shopped....

Either way, I would EXPECT pysops to do what they did. Their job is to influence the public into believing certain things. It is NOT the media's job to change pictures.

All the video footage and still photographs we saw were of a large group of Iraqi's celebrating the toppling of saddams statue. They were hitting it with their shoes, standing and jumping on it and riding it around as it was dragged through the streets.

'Holy Crap!' we all thought, "those Eye-Rackees sure do hate that guy and are glad he's gone. They must be ecstatic to have the US military there! There must be thousands out celebrating in the streets, just like Uncle Dick Cheney told us!"

And that's what we were told; the pictures matched the words.

The pictures from the media hotel across the square tell a different story. They tell the story of maybe a hundred, standing around as all the major western news media camera's position themselves for that 'spontaneous' show of 'emotion', waiting for the signal to be jubilant. A US soldier puts an american flag over saddam's head, the crowds begin to grow angry. Hastily it is removed and the crane is brought in to topple the statue and we all watch as 'history unfolds' before our very eyes.

Except what we were seeing and what was being reported wasn't what was happening, much like the situation in Iraq and Lebanon now.



I'm trying to find the better shots I've seen, but I'm having trouble. I'll keep digging to see if I can find them.

edit: here's another, and accompanying article


http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0411-Statue.html

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

So I guess that means Hezbollah staging or propping their images to generate empathy for their cause is expected too then?

You are right. But this is a case of the media helping out with the cause. AP, Reuters, NYT, WAPO, BBC and such organisations paying local stringers to run around and take photos and then playing make believe that these locals are unbaised photojournalists and taking each and every picture at face value.

Plus on top of the fact that the journalists do not tell the public that when they are in Lebenon they have Hezbollah minders that tell them which pictures to take and with not to take. So we end up with the idea that Beirut was obliterated in a IAF WWII-like carpet bombing campaign. When in fact the area bombed was a small area that was Hezbollah's command and control base. We have Mr Green Helmet run around showing a dead child's body to several different news orgs over a 2 hour period. The guy pulled the bodies from Ambulances so the photographers could have more graphic shots.

Nevermind the usual stupid sensationalism the media helped spew as well. Qana bombing; What was the original body count? 60-70? Now it is less than thirty. A horrible event nonetheless, yet smacks of the Jenin Massacre BS.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You are right. But this is a case of the media helping out with the cause. AP, Reuters, NYT, WAPO, BBC and such organisations paying local stringers to run around and take photos and then playing make believe that these locals are unbaised photojournalists and taking each and every picture at face value.

Plus on top of the fact that the journalists do not tell the public that when they are in Lebenon they have Hezbollah minders that tell them which pictures to take and with not to take. So we end up with the idea that Beirut was obliterated in a IAF WWII-like carpet bombing campaign. When in fact the area bombed was a small area that was Hezbollah's command and control base. We have Mr Green Helmet run around showing a dead child's body to several different news orgs over a 2 hour period. The guy pulled the bodies from Ambulances so the photographers could have more graphic shots.

Nevermind the usual stupid sensationalism the media helped spew as well. Qana bombing; What was the original body count? 60-70? Now it is less than thirty. A horrible event nonetheless, yet smacks of the Jenin Massacre BS.

I am certainly not oblivious to Hezbollah's role in all of this - there is definitely an element of staging to be sure...I have heard about the handlers that the press have in Lebanon, but I see it no differently than the embedded network reporters with the US marines during the Iraq invasion nor Anderson Cooper and John Roberts shotgunning with the IDF in this conflict...both are propaganda at some level.

I only ask that people look past their entrenched views to see that both sides do similar things...

The Reuters photographer is an idiot - but I certainly wouldn't paint all media as being biased towards Hezbollah because of that one incident.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

As always Lanny you attack the source and not the message. It seems the only decent source, in your mind of course, are the ones that support your position.

No, a good source is one that actually does its fact checking and can be verified through other reputable sources. If FauxNews or CNN is reporting something by themselves I am skeptical. If both are reporting soemthing I tend to be more receptive. When BBC or the Times or the Post are also reporting the same thing then you have a verifiable story. But pulling some crap off a less than reputable site or a blog (only idiots source blogs without have two or three other sources to back them up), and thinking that is proof is a joke. Try pulling that crap in a research paper or a court of law and see how far you get. That may work while dealing with the blue collar mouth breathing sister humpers up there in Edmonton, but in the real world that gets laughed at.

Reminds me of the time you shot down another source I provided because it was supposedly some Neo-con think tank. Then you provide a separate source, with the proper Lanny seal of approval, with the same information.

Better produce that Mr. "Game Tape". Reminds me of the time you swore up and down that you were getting games over in Japan, but were exposed as the liar you are. Then you tried to say you were getting game tapes, and I called you on that saying it was an impossibility to have that done as no one has the time or resources to do so. Then you changed your story again and tried to say it was BOA games only. So when I challenged you and said I would pay to have you send me one of those tapes to prove your story, you changed your story yet again (don't forget I have the PM's to prove all of this).

Please back your statement up that MENA has a BIG rep for supporting Israel? Is it similar to the one where AP is anti-Israeli?

Google the source+Israel+bias. Holy ****, that was tough.

And as for your idiotic challenge...did you not read my response?

I didn't see you respond to anything except this lame article. Most of your stuff I just print and use to wipe my ass with after I take a steaming dump. That's about all your posts are useful for (other than disolaying the level of stupidity and gulability of Oiler fans).

<-- smilie face makes everything all good!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You are right. But this is a case of the media helping out with the cause. AP, Reuters, NYT, WAPO, BBC and such organisations paying local stringers to run around and take photos and then playing make believe that these locals are unbaised photojournalists and taking each and every picture at face value.

Plus on top of the fact that the journalists do not tell the public that when they are in Lebenon they have Hezbollah minders that tell them which pictures to take and with not to take. So we end up with the idea that Beirut was obliterated in a IAF WWII-like carpet bombing campaign. When in fact the area bombed was a small area that was Hezbollah's command and control base. We have Mr Green Helmet run around showing a dead child's body to several different news orgs over a 2 hour period. The guy pulled the bodies from Ambulances so the photographers could have more graphic shots.

Nevermind the usual stupid sensationalism the media helped spew as well. Qana bombing; What was the original body count? 60-70? Now it is less than thirty. A horrible event nonetheless, yet smacks of the Jenin Massacre BS.

More garbage from a mindless idiot. The US and Israel does the exact same ****. You know why journalists are embedded with the US troops now? Because it acts as a control mechanism. The press report only what the military allows them to report as that is part of the agreement. The press also build up a level or rapport with the troops and wouldn't do anything to harm that relationship, like reporting negative stories. Those reporters that are not attached have to have military escorts and are allowed to shoot only what the military shows them. Beyond that, their safety is not guaranteed and the reporter puts their lives at risk. Hizbollah is taking a page right from the American playbook in Iraq and using the same strategy that has been relatively successful for the war effort there. Man, you should be happy and dancing in the street (watch yourself, I understand they stab people who do that in Edmonton) that Hizbollah was adopting western methods of doing things!