Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Saw that, its pretty tragic.

I'm wondering why they were still around so many days into this crisis. I know I would have been out of there on the first day even if I had to swim out.

Its a bad day all around.

I wonder the same. It is horrible and tragic but they should have been long gone. My stance certainly doesn't change because a Canadian family died. The government has put out warnings not to go to Lebanon and for those already there, Israel asked all of the Civilians to get out of southern Lebanon.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Saw that, its pretty tragic.

I'm wondering why they were still around so many days into this crisis.

There are several stories and videos at CNN.com describing the difficulties the Americans are having trying to get their citizens out with the airport and roads bombed out.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ion/index.html

I haven't heard a peep about what Canada is doing to secure the safe passage of its citizens.

edit. Spoke to soon.

Meanwhile, the Canadian government is reportedly sending in commercial ships to evacuate as many as 40,000 Canadians from Lebanon.
The Foreign Affairs Department says 16,000 Canadians are registered and likely two to three times that many are in the country.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ory/Front/home

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

And if that sentance doesn't spell out your intentions, maybe you shouldn't write it.

Kinda funny how you are the only person out of all the inteligent posters contributing to this thread who made that assertion........kinda seems like your on an island bud because NO BODY agrees with you.

Give it up, you are WRONG, you jumped to conclusions about me with no basis, and are now trying to save face with this weak attempt of a rebuttal. Its not working though, your biased and have no respect for others, unless you give me facts to back up your dumb ass statments i will not go back and forth with you, what a useless waste of time.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

There are several stories and videos at CNN.com describing the difficulties the Americans are having trying to get their citizens out with the airport and roads bombed out.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ion/index.html

I haven't heard a peep about what Canada is doing to secure the safe passage of its citizens.

edit. Spoke to soon.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ory/Front/home

Wonder if Israel will even let them in since there is a naval blockade.

[Canada 02]

The above Globe story now has 8 Canadians killed, 6 more critically injured

[Footscray]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

The above Globe story now has 8 Canadians killed, 6 more critically injured

Poor people, got in the way of irresponsible heads of state safely tucked away in bunkers with scores of armoured guards somewhere. RIP.

[Canada 02]

Here is Foreign Affairs Minister, Peter MacKay's official statement. Seems rather reactionary to the Canadian deaths. Why didn't they have a plan in place days/a week ago? Reports on CTV Newsnet had several countries in advanced stage of planning yesterday, while Peter MacKay's office was "mulling over different ideas"

http://w01.international.gc.ca/minpu...E&docnumber=82

[Footscray]

It's sad for me to reflect on how many Lebanese and Israelis are just average people trying to feed their families and live day to day who get caught in the middle of these ****ing matches, Canadian or not.

[Ayrahb]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why does most of the world think Israel is wrong? You'd better know the answer to that question before you make that sort of a statement.

Antisemitism plays a huge role in the views of the world's governments when it comes to Israel.

Oh, enough already with this "It's antisemitism" crap. Their soldiers were taken POW, they started bombing the crap out of a small (and pretty much defenseless) country's infrastructure and civilians. Invading Hesbollah territory I can understand, destroying Lebanon I cannot.

The Zionist Sparta killed Canadians today. Maybe Canada should start bombing the sh** out of their airports, bridges, highways and other infrastructure. 8 lives > 3 lives. Oh wait, but those Canadians are probably Muslim or Christian Arabs or Druze! Well, in that case we can't have traditional math, we will have to go with 8<3.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Footscray

Poor people, got in the way of irresponsible heads of state safely tucked away in bunkers with scores of armoured guards somewhere. RIP.

But all things considered... what the hell were they doing staying home right smack-dab in the middle of a war zone? What are they tring to prove? Guess they proved that it can happen to them.

If there is a war between USA and Canada, and my house is right in the middle.. i might think about leaving.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

Oh, enough already with this "It's antisemitism" crap. Their soldiers were taken POW, they started bombing the crap out of a small (and pretty much defenseless) country's infrastructure and civilians. Invading Hesbollah territory I can understand, destroying Lebanon I cannot.

The Zionist Sparta killed Canadians today. Maybe Canada should start bombing the sh** out of their airports, bridges, highways and other infrastructure. 8 lives > 3 lives. Oh wait, but those Canadians are probably Muslim or Christian Arabs or Druze! Well, in that case we can't have traditional math, we will have to go with 8<3.

Why? Lebanon has made no effort to rid the country of their terrorist cell who is attacking israel. Until they renounce Hezbollah and do something about it, their fair game.

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why does most of the world think Israel is wrong? You'd better know the answer to that question before you make that sort of a statement.

Antisemitism plays a huge role in the views of the world's governments when it comes to Israel.

Well for one the United Nations thinks that this war should end. The US keep vetoing any resolution though.

Top European Union and United Nations officials arrive in Beirut for talks on the crisis. The UN envoy backs Lebanon's call for a ceasefire but urges the release of the captured soldiers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5185624.stm

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This ignores the statesment that was released today by the G8, which condemms Hezbollah, and asks Israel to show retraint. It also ignores the statements by Egypt and Saudi Arabia. A lot of these nations that have fired off these blind condemnations are taking a hypocritical stance. The Russian condemnation is fairly funny considering thier actions in Chechnia (sp?), the French and thier continual interferance in world wide affair, and the fact that the Russians and French make a great deal of money in the Arab world in supplying weapons.

Obviously Hezbollah is at fault for starting this war. They deserve most of what they get. Holding the entire Lebanese population hostage is what I think is wrong.

Just like Russia and France are supporting these countries for their personal interests, so is the US in terms of Isreal. I just don't understand what personal interests Canada has in supporting Isreal.

[Footscray]

Originally Posted by Jayems

But all things considered... what the hell were they doing staying home right smack-dab in the middle of a war zone? What are they tring to prove? Guess they proved that it can happen to them.

If there is a war between USA and Canada, and my house is right in the middle.. i might think about leaving.

I dunno if their neighbourhood was maybe in the war zone in particular but Lebanese people have almost no way out right now, dunno if you heard but the international airport has been destroyed along with the main highway out to Syria, until those ships are allowed through many are trapped.

Who are you saying is fair game btw? Hezbollah? Ya for sure, but most average people dying have nothing to do with it or the government's policies regarding it and they are dying in Israel and Lebanon.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Footscray

I dunno if their neighbourhood was maybe in the war zone in particular but Lebanese people have almost no way out right now, dunno if you heard but the international airport has been destroyed along with the main highway out to Syria, until those ships are allowed through many are trapped.

Who are you saying is fair game btw? Hezbollah? Ya for sure, but most average people dying have nothing to do with it or the government's policies regarding it and they are dying in Israel and Lebanon.

Lebanon is considered a legitimate democratic country. Average people vote in these leaders. Not saying they deserve to die, but they sure have done nothing to get hezbollah out... be it demonstrations..

All the people are waving flags in the street and celebrating the capture of the soldiers.

[Footscray]

I've got my fingers crossed that friggin wacko Layton doesn't mobilize his communist legions and kidnap a US border guard or something, they have shown obvious anti-US opinions and we could all be under siege soon.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

Oh, enough already with this "It's antisemitism" crap. Their soldiers were taken POW, they started bombing the crap out of a small (and pretty much defenseless) country's infrastructure and civilians. Invading Hesbollah territory I can understand, destroying Lebanon I cannot.

Interesting use of words Ayrahb, if your calling Israel's captured soldiers POW's then you have to call what is happening a war between nation states (Lebanon and Israel) which means that Israel's reaction is more then legitimized. While Israel has "Bombed the crap" out of Lebanon for the most part the casualties in Lebanon are fairly low. I heard on CNN and BBC this morning that it was about 175 killed and about 250 wounded. If Israel was fighting a civilian busting war it would be higher. The casualties are tragic, but a lot of them are caused by Hezbollah placing thier high value assets in civillian areas.

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

The Zionist Sparta killed Canadians today. Maybe Canada should start bombing the sh** out of their airports, bridges, highways and other infrastructure. 8 lives > 3 lives. Oh wait, but those Canadians are probably Muslim or Christian Arabs or Druze! Well, in that case we can't have traditional math, we will have to go with 8<3.

Yes your right Israel (I hate your term, its racist and inflammatory) did kill Canadian's today, but unlike the Hezbollah, they didn't specifically target them with the backing of Syria and Iran. In any war collatoral damage happens, its senseless and tragic and stupid, however its not the same as the actions of the Hezbollah, and Hamas who go out of thier way to target civilians. Its a completely different animal. And Israel has never threatened genocide against the Muslim world, and has never declared that they would like nothing more then to push the Arabs into the seas. But most of the Arab Nations have. And since we're making counts, how many Israeli citizens have been butchered by rockets and bombs fired or carried into thier cities by these killers from lands returned by Israel in exchange for piece.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

Well for one the United Nations thinks that this war should end. The US keep vetoing any resolution though.

The U.S. will keep vetoing the resolutions for three reasons

1) They got what they wanted today which was a somewhat unified front from the G8 nations today condemning the Hezbollah.

2) The UN resolution does nothing to protect or secure Israel from attacks on thier border, and it does nothing to control or disarm these terrorist groups.

3) The U.S. will probably be able to send an envoy to the region which is a far more effective tactic then a blind unenforcible UN resolution.

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5185624.stm

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Obviously Hezbollah is at fault for starting this war. They deserve most of what they get. Holding the entire Lebanese population hostage is what I think is wrong.

Just like Russia and France are supporting these countries for their personal interests, so is the US in terms of Isreal. I just don't understand what personal interests Canada has in supporting Isreal.

Canada's support is based around supporting (Crap I feel like Austin Power's "Allow myself to introduce . . . myself), a nation who has been legitimately attacked. Canada's statement didn't go as far as supporting Israel's methodology, but supported them in thier desire for security and the restoration of some semblance of peace in the region.

If Canada was sending troops and tanks into the area it would be a different story.

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Canada's support is based around supporting (Crap I feel like Austin Power's "Allow myself to introduce . . . myself), a nation who has been legitimately attacked. Canada's statement didn't go as far as supporting Israel's methodology, but supported them in thier desire for security and the restoration of some semblance of peace in the region.

If Canada was sending troops and tanks into the area it would be a different story.

But what does Canada gain. Like you said before, other countries choose sides based on where thier interests lie. Is Canada just standing up for whats right because we are good people? Does Canada have interests in supporting Isreal? I was just a little suprised by it. I guess it doesn't really matter that much, but I would have preferred a more neutral statement.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

Invading Hesbollah territory I can understand, destroying Lebanon I cannot.

What are the Israelis to do then? When Hezbollah chooses to hide their rocket launchers and weapons in the backyards of normal Lebanese civilians? Do we blame the Israelis for unleashing airstrikes on these backyards after telling civilians to leave? Or do we blame Hezbollah for using the civilians as pawns by placing weapons in civilian territory?

[FlamesAddiction]

I won't deny that anti-Semetism is a powerful force in some regions, but it is also worth mentioning that Arabs, Syrians, and Lebanese are also Semetic people, and they also have a lot of hate propaganda directed towards them.

If anything, Israel gets the benefit of the doubt more than any other nation on Earth because of the Holocaust and other acts of hate towards Jews in the past. Other countries have endured sanctions and embargos for less. It's like some kind of geopolitcal affirmative action or something.

Personally, I think all sides are wrong and deserve some of the blame, although my sympathies have shifted a little more towards Israel in recent months - mainly due to Hamas winning the elections in the Palestinian territories.