10 dead, including suspect, in mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, B.C.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by woob

Respect the hustle MRC but best just not to engage with n00berdeau.

Others may benefit from responding to their poor faith arguments

As for the thread itself, I just got caught up on all (all!) the reported posts. Yeesh.

Let's keep the focus moving forward on the victims and anything official reporting facts and such.
Any speculation on potentially the worst tragedy in our country's history now just diminishes the chance for healing.

Being dumb will result in infractions, etc.

[Flabbibulin]

As expected, the American media is all over it now.

There were certainly dozens of factors (possible childhood trauma, substance abuse, poverty) that shaped this person into becoming a very troubled and capable of carrying this out, but only one will be talked about.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Easiest Google ever - from the State University of New York

https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/ma...ing-factsheet/
Perpetrators

Perpetrators tend to be white
55.0%

Perpetrators are overwhelmingly male
95.4%

Average Age

34.5

Years

Technically white people are under represented in mass shooting statistics as they make up over 61% of the population in the U.S. and account for 55% of mass shootings. Just pointing that out because I don't care for assigning race to crime statistics period whether white, black or whatever (except in the cases where race identity is the motive, which don't account for most crimes). Socioeconomic and environmental drivers are probably a better indicator.

Trans identity has become more mainstreamed and recognized over the past 20 years, so obviously more people out as trans means they are going to show up in different parts of society. There are going to be more recognizable trans professionals, classmates, colleagues, athletes, neighbours, charity workers, retail store customers, competitive pumpkin growers, wine tasters, card game cheaters, jaywalkers, fraudsters, and yes, even monsters like mass shooters. Being trans has no bearing on being any of those things. They are just things that all people can be. If you remove the identity, it doesn't remove the existence of the people and all the possibilities that they can be.

(Last paragraph was just a general statement, not a response to the quoted part)

[n00berdeau]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Easiest Google ever - from the State University of New York

https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/ma...ing-factsheet/
Perpetrators

Perpetrators tend to be white
55.0%

Perpetrators are overwhelmingly male
95.4%

Average Age

34.5

Years

I said recent data, this one goes back to 1966, when the US was like 85% non-hispanic white.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Technically white people are under represented in mass shooting statistics as they make up over 61% of the population in the U.S. and account for 55% of mass shootings.

Last time I looked at these stats it was misleading because they classified mass shootings as any shooting where more than one person was shot, and as a result most of what was captured was either gang violence or shootings associated with other crimes, i.e. not what you'd intuitively categorize as a mass shooting. Not sure if the methodology has changed.

[hwy19man]

The deceased mother, Jennifer Strang and the eleven year old step brother who was also killed by Jesse Van Rootselaar. The link mentions the ages of the other deceased victims from the shooting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ting-9.7085200

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

I said recent data, this one goes back to 1966, when the US was like 85% non-hispanic white.

What's the saying? Do your own research?


It's not shocking your main concern in this thread is someone speaking ill of white people. Sad and pathetic, but not shocking.

[chemgear]

This is the largest school shooting in Canada outside of the Montreal engineering massacre? So sad.

[n00berdeau]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

What's the saying? Do your own research?


It's not shocking your main concern in this thread is someone speaking ill of white people. Sad and pathetic, but not shocking.

I'm not the one who made a (baseless) claim about a certain demographic.
But nice attempt to flip thr burden of proof.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

I said recent data, this one goes back to 1966, when the US was like 85% non-hispanic white.

Bring some data yourself, with proper research, or as I said to all, stop being dumb in this thread.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

I'm not the one who made a (baseless) claim about a certain demographic.
But nice attempt to flip thr burden of proof.

How can you call it baseless if you have no evidence?


The burden of proof is on you because you're the only one who cares.

[n00berdeau]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Bring some data yourself, with proper research, or as I said to all, stop being dumb in this thread.

The thread was politicized in post #3, but because the majority here agree with it, it is deemed acceptable. But when people dispute simplistic, surface level thinking like post #3 and the baseless demographic claim, its "dumb" and unacceptable.

[n00berdeau]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

How can you call it baseless if you have no evidence?


The burden of proof is on you because you're the only one who cares.

If you make a claim you have to back it up. Otherwise it's baseless.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

If you make a claim you have to back it up. Otherwise it's baseless.

It was backed up. You’re the one asking for specific parameters over what you want to see. So be a ####ing adult and go find them yourself instead of crying about people here not serving the exact data you want.

Grow up.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

I said recent data, this one goes back to 1966, when the US was like 85% non-hispanic white.

They weren't really a thing until the '90s, so '60s demographic data is basically meaningless. 90% of the mass shootings in that sample have happened since 1990 and about 70% have occurred in the last 20 years. Given that, there's no real way to bend the statistics to show that they're not almost entirely carried out by males.

[CaptainCrunch]

I honestly want to know if the police had been to that house for mental health checkups on the shooters multiple times to the point that (And I'm going off of what I heard today) the guns were removed from the house, and that the parent petitioned for the return, and guns were returned to the house.


That needs to seriously be looked at.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by n00berdeau

If you make a claim you have to back it up. Otherwise it's baseless.

You actually believe that more recent data will change this from being perpetrated by a majority of middle aged white males? Use your head, man.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I honestly want to know if the police had been to that house for mental health checkups on the shooters multiple times to the point that (And I'm going off of what I heard today) the guns were removed from the house, and that the parent petitioned for the return, and guns were returned to the house.


That needs to seriously be looked at.

I want to know why they had a gun in the first place.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Last time I looked at these stats it was misleading because they classified mass shootings as any shooting where more than one person was shot, and as a result most of what was captured was either gang violence or shootings associated with other crimes, i.e. not what you'd intuitively categorize as a mass shooting. Not sure if the methodology has changed.

Yes, people play all sorts of politically motivated games with mass shooting stats. You're right that the great majority of gun crimes in the U.S. targetting multiple people are carried out by gangs and others people engaged in illicit crime. And most of that is carried out by Black men (and targetting other Black men).

But when we talk about mass shootings, what we usually mean is sociopathic rampages against strangers in public. Those are carried out disproportionately by white men.

That doesn't stop people from using that first, much larger category when making the "there's a mass shooting in the U.S. every four days" claim. Or other people from using it when addressing the racial makeup of shooters.

As we can see in this thread, people can't even wait until the bodies are cold to use mass murders as outlets for their antagonism for political and cultural foes. We even had someone turn the benign sentiment of "thoughts and prayers" into a shot against people with religious faith.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by opendoor

They weren't really a thing until the '90s, so '60s demographic data is basically meaningless. 90% of the mass shootings in that sample have happened since 1990 and about 70% have occurred in the last 20 years. Given that, there's no real way to bend the statistics to show that they're not almost entirely carried out by males.

I'm sorry, you think this person can interpret statistics?