[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 to Jets

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Admittedly flipping channels a bit with the Blue Jays game, but I thought Bean looked decent.

[ducks for cover]

Advanced stats say otherwise?

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

‪Zary tonight: 13:19 TOI, one minor penalty, zero shots on goal, -1, zero hits, zero blocks. Just having a real tough time standing out at all.

Zary looks like he is playing scared at times. Still recovering from his injuries? Afraid to get injured again? He’s not the same player as before his injuries that’s for sure

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Seems risky.

Just play the talentless veterans.

Kadri, Huberdeau, Coleman, Backlund are not the problem. They are the only forwards who make a positive impact outside of Coronato and Klapka



Zary, Honzek, Frost, Farabee were all invisible. Kirkland and Lomberg are high effort zero skill.

The Flames simply do not have a forward who can carry the puck through the neutral zone. let alone a single forward with any kind of finish.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by troutman

And thousands of anti Dave Dickenson posts.

hahahaha. 1000s!!!! Davey D-!!!

can i serve you a fried egg on top of a bottle of water? haha

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by troutman

And thousands of anti Dave Dickenson posts.

What? Someone actually hated Dave Dickenson? Was it when he won MOP with Calgary or a Grey Cup with BC? Or maybe as an offesnive coordinator who got Cornsih his MOC or Mitchell the Grey Cup MVP? Or as a record setting head coach?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Kadri, Huberdeau, Coleman, Backlund are not the problem. They are the only forwards who make a positive impact outside of Coronato and Klapka



Zary, Honzek, Frost, Farabee were all invisible. Kirkland and Lomberg are high effort zero skill.

The Flames simply do not have a forward who can carry the puck through the neutral zone. let alone a single forward with any kind of finish.

Farabee was far from invisible.

Very visible in not finishing, but also visible in getting more opportunities than any other player on the ice.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Kadri, Huberdeau, Coleman, Backlund are not the problem. They are the only forwards who make a positive impact outside of Coronato and Klapka



Zary, Honzek, Frost, Farabee were all invisible. Kirkland and Lomberg are high effort zero skill.

The Flames simply do not have a forward who can carry the puck through the neutral zone. let alone a single forward with any kind of finish.

Backlund is 100% part of the problem. He has been awful this season. His on-ice impacts are bad, which is odd to see from the Captain.

Kadri's job is to score, he's not scoring - that's a problem.

Huberdeau and Coleman? You're right, not a problem. Coleman specifically has had some very strong individual games, and yeah Huby looks quite good since coming back.

Farabee has been our best forward this season in my eyes, and I don't think it's particularly close either. I'd say he's been our only consistent all-out effort player on the team. I think if you keep Farabee with Huberdeau, the puck is going to start going into the net soon.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Backlund is 100% part of the problem. He has been awful this season. His on-ice impacts are bad, which is odd to see from the Captain.

Kadri's job is to score, he's not scoring - that's a problem.

Huberdeau and Coleman? You're right, not a problem. Coleman specifically has had some very strong individual games, and yeah Huby looks quite good since coming back.

Farabee has been our best forward this season in my eyes, and I don't think it's particularly close either. I'd say he's been our only consistent all-out effort player on the team. I think if you keep Farabee with Huberdeau, the puck is going to start going into the net soon.

Agreed on all.

I'd add that Kadri has had an element of selfishness in his game again. Not sure that's the right word. I don't know the guy, and he's always been a puck hog due to either thinking he's the guy that should have the shot, or not seeing his teammates very well. But this year he seems to be taking a pass on the dirty areas, and some lazy offsides on the rush.

Backlund and Coleman ... defensive metrics are good, but their offence has slid. In prior seasons they'd generate but not finish, but now they're not generating. Creating an issue with the ice time they get.

[dino7c]

Kadri has 4 points in 7 games which is the team lead and has double the assists of the next closest guy.

Its a low bar but the team has 11 goals and he is in on 4 or them

[Macho0978]

I think we would all be praising Farabee if he was slotted in the correct role.

I like Coleman, but it's time to trade him. He would be a great pick up for a contender.

Farabee could slide down to the Backlund line, and I think that line would excel.

I get Zary hasn't been great, but he is going to struggle when he has stretches of 7-8 mins not getting a shift. Hard to ask a young skill guy to make plays and not make mistakes when you have a bad game and you end up on the bench for most of a period.

Zary needs to move up to Farabee's spot. Farabee to Coleman's spot and Coleman traded to a different team.

[Badgers Nose]

Farabee is being used wrong. He's hustling and getting opps because of his linemates but is not burying them. It's been going on long enough that we know it isn't going to change.

Play him with Back and Coleman for a smothering outworking line.

[Bingo]

I'm not that sold that Farabee is capped out.

Shooting percentage:

Four seasons prior to last year ... 17.6% 17.5% 13.2% 12.2%
Last year ... 6.9%
This year ... 0%

If he was say 12% he would have 2.6 goals at this point

Expected Individual Goals:

Four seasons prior to last year (per 60)... 0.83 0.6 0.59 0.72
Last year ... 0.80
This year ... 0.81

Expected goals haven't gone down.

On Ice Expected Goals:

Four seasons prior to last year ... 2.41 2.52 2.75 2.56
Last year ... 2.78
This year ... 3.25

Numbers are better last year and this year but pucks not going in.

Has a guy that scored roughly 1.25 goals / 60 for four years and is creating more individually and on ice than he ever has done?

Not sure he is.

I think he goes on a heater.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Farabee was far from invisible.

Very visible in not finishing, but also visible in getting more opportunities than any other player on the ice.

He’s just invisible on the scoresheet

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He’s just invisible on the scoresheet

Luckily there are more and other ways to evaluate how hockey players are contributing.

[White Out 403]

Trying to be as impartial as I can be, I thought yesterday's game was absolutely a coin flip for whoever would win. I thought the Jets had very high quality scoring chances in the first half of the game. They hit a few posts, and Wolf was fantastic throughout the whole game, but especially in the first half, where there were a ton of really good scoring chances for the Jets.

As the game wore on, the Flames certainly had the better of the play and had a lot of chances of their own, and Hellebuyck easily had his best game that I’ve seen him play in Calgary since he became the starter. I wish he brought that kind of game more often when I lived in Alberta.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not that sold that Farabee is capped out.

Shooting percentage:

Four seasons prior to last year ... 17.6% 17.5% 13.2% 12.2%
Last year ... 6.9%
This year ... 0%

If he was say 12% he would have 2.6 goals at this point

Expected Individual Goals:

Four seasons prior to last year (per 60)... 0.83 0.6 0.59 0.72
Last year ... 0.80
This year ... 0.81

Expected goals haven't gone down.

On Ice Expected Goals:

Four seasons prior to last year ... 2.41 2.52 2.75 2.56
Last year ... 2.78
This year ... 3.25

Numbers are better last year and this year but pucks not going in.

Has a guy that scored roughly 1.25 goals / 60 for four years and is creating more individually and on ice than he ever has done?

Not sure he is.

I think he goes on a heater.

The problem is there’s a reason Philly effectively salary dumped a 25 year old with good underlying stats

Fingers crossed one day he puts it all together and it starts clicking

[dino7c]

Its not like the Flyers are a smart well run team though...gave away a 14th overall pick at 24 who had already had 2 20 goal seasons because of the coach that didn't like him and then fired the coach a month later.

[Rhett44]

It's not a surprise that Farabee can't score. He has very little skill.

He tries hard but I have seen more goal scoring talent on my beer league team. There is a reason Philly traded him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It's not a surprise that Farabee can't score. He has very little skill.

He tries hard but I have seen more goal scoring talent on my beer league team. There is a reason Philly traded him.

someone on your beer league team scored 20 goals in 55 NHL games one year?

Guy isn't a 30 goal scorer but he is 15-20. He has averaged 18 goals per 82 games in his career and is 25.

[Mathgod]

My message to team tank is this: the Jays got off to a very slow start this year, and are now in the world series. Just sayin.