[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Ironically that would probably be a bad move as teams in Calgary's situation (the small market 7) will probably never attract a GM to work here again that isn't home grown as the job has too many limitations.

I think the alluring attraction to work for Murray Edward’s, will keep the pipeline perpetually full.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Samiz

Feel like it would be bad for the culture everyone on the team has been hemming and hawing if Rasmus were to start the next season on the Flames at this point. I do think when the Ekblad sweepstakes is done and dealt with, there will be some increased traction and it'll get done

Exactly. It’s why the company line should be we are working on an extension. We have until the trade deadline.

Meanwhile, find out who seriously wants him that isn’t on Ras’ do not trade list (excluding VGK ####ing #######s) and get the deal done.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Maximum retention auction him to the highest bidder. This is what bad management looks like. Sorry.

######bag move on Ras’ part to tell everyone he’d only extend with VGK, he could have just said I am planning to hit free agency - may be my only chance at it and Ive earned it.

CC needs to shut up and plug his leaks - assuming it isn’t him.

With the tampering talk already out there with Vegas, it would be easy to assume that this is another example of their work: Tamper with the player, leak a story about how he only wants to go to Vegas, try to force the situation.

If it isn't Vegas leaking the story then it would have to be Andersson's agent, which would be a ballsy move if Claude Lemieux wants to work with Conroy on any other players / deals.

I would bet that this story is not reality and that Andersson has a much longer list of teams he would sign with.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

What does Vegas even have that we want besides a 2027 1st rounder (which I'm assume Vegas will lottery protect anyways)

The only one I would want is Dorofeyev. He fits the age group than Conroy is looking at, but with him being their leading goal scorer it is probably wishful thinking. There is nobody else on their roster I would take, maybe Eichel.

[Calgary4LIfe]

One of the other options - and I think it might be a good one - is if Vegas doesn't offer up enough, then trade Andersson to the best package that is offered, and intentionally place a preference on the teams that Conroy feels will do the worst this season. Not to spite Andersson, but simply to maximize the value of the 1st. 11th overall is more valuable than 25th overall + 2nd + prospect, for instance.


That's the pivot I would do sooner rather than later. Just bet on the teams that you feel are likely to regress even with Andersson, and go from there.

[howard_the_duck]

Treat our players well, set the tone for an organizational culture change, and what do we get in return? Same result…our players holding us over a barrel and skipping town to join their buddies and play in flip flops.

This is where Conroy needs to grab control of this situation and demonstrate no more Mr Nice guy. A cutthroat message needs to be sent that we’re not the doormat for the rest of the league.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Limiting Ras' ice time out of spite is dumb. That's also just gonna hurt whatever potential value he'll have at the trade deadline

Limiting his overall icetime, yes.

There should be zero reason for Andersson to be on the PP though. The guy just isn't good offensively, and the Flames have much better options.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What of this is hindsight though?

Go look at the 2024 Draft day and Free Agency threads.

The people frustrated now were the people saying to trade Andersson then to maximize return.

This isn't hindsight.

Impatient hockey fans that want trades at any cost isn't proof of knowing how this would have played out or a higher intellect than the current GM that has all the info.

I think we could look at the 1995 draft day thread and see the same thing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t think this one requires much hindsight. Keeping Andersson was at odds with what else they did last summer.

No it wasn't.

They traded players that were expiring.

Andersson wasn't expiring.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Limiting his overall icetime, yes.

There should be zero reason for Andersson to be on the PP though. The guy just isn't good offensively, and the Flames have much better options.

Give the guys that want to be here pp time. Weegar is just as good if not better than ras on the pp

[Rhett44]

Again, zero anger at Andersson. It's his life and he can choose where he wants to sign. People angry at the player are missing the real issue.

This was entirely preventable if we just traded him last summer. Or at the deadline. Hell, we should have traded other aging vets too.

This organization chose to chase a playoff spot instead of trading him. That is entirely on our management and ownership, and not on the player. And we are being super nice every time and giving the players all the leverage.

It is so frustrating.

[mrdonkey]

Where are all those super funny Debbie Downer pictures now, after people were throwing them around last year when others rightly pointed out this was an entirely predictable outcome? Completely avoidable situation that is honestly pretty unacceptable from management given how often this pattern has been repeated.

Being the nice guy and trying to build a “winning culture” gets you nowhere in this league, which appears to be exactly where the Flames are headed.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No it wasn't.

They traded players that were expiring.

Andersson wasn't expiring.

Forget about Markstrom?

[3thirty]

Can blame Rasmus all we want, but no way he did this all himself. Agents likely started planting these seeds that you an use this leverage to control your destiny.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No it wasn't.

They traded players that were expiring.

Andersson wasn't expiring.

Markstrom wasn't expiring either.

[Ryan Coke]

Meh, not bothered. He should still have pretty good value as a guaranteed 1 year at low cap hit RHD. The only thing with the re-signing possibility is if it happens to match his location and salary desires with a teams needs then you can try to extract more on top of that, if not you still have a good asset with good value.

Craig is the only one who knows what and how much of a delta there is between those 2 scenarios.

But excuse me if I don’t feel upset at Rasmus, Craig, or the situation….there seems nothing unusual or upsetting about this.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Give the guys that want to be here pp time. Weegar is just as good if not better than ras on the pp

That's what I'm saying.

Ras doesn't deserve PP time, and giving it to him just to drive up his trade value would be ridiculous.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Impatient hockey fans that want trades at any cost isn't proof of knowing how this would have played out or a higher intellect than the current GM that has all the info.

I think we could look at the 1995 draft day thread and see the same thing.

And that is assuming the team didn’t actually look into trading him last here and the value wasn’t to their liking

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t think the new CBA kicks in until Sept 2026 so it’s not the threat I thought it was

The new CBA kicks in when this season ends. So this is the last year of 8 year deals. He has until June 30th to get 8 years.

If he is only going yo Vegas I would threaten him with it. Time to get tough with these guys. Its his right to sign with whoever and our right to get the best return and send him to a team on his approved list.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Wolven

With the tampering talk already out there with Vegas, it would be easy to assume that this is another example of their work: Tamper with the player, leak a story about how he only wants to go to Vegas, try to force the situation.

If it isn't Vegas leaking the story then it would have to be Andersson's agent, which would be a ballsy move if Claude Lemieux wants to work with Conroy on any other players / deals.

I would bet that this story is not reality and that Andersson has a much longer list of teams he would sign with.

I hope you are right, but maybe Claude reps client that way he played; all out war, anything is permissible, win at all costs.

How CC resolves this #### show, and what he learns from it going forward (demonstrable to us anyways) will determine whether I still support him.

He can’t keep finding himself in this situation (important player #### shows). At some point we have to accept he is the problem.

There will always be lots of people that want the GM job here. We need to find one with no shame, that gives zero ####s about 31 other teams, and who rolls his eyes at every player that says they want to be here, or love it here.