[PGT] Flames 5 : Kings 1 “ That’s All, Folks”

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The league takes a fat percentage off the top. I don't think the visiting team, as such, gets anything.

Thats when you have to take matters into your own hands and just steal anything thats not nailed down.

And a few things that might be.

I didn't get my 'Welcome to Wendy's' sign by being a nice guy...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’d have to dig up the clip. He was saying it’s bs that owners just want 2 home games because the public doesn’t understand how the revenue works.

I see no reason why he would lie.

From what I understand, the league takes something close to half of the playoff gate, distributes most of it through revenue sharing, and keeps some for various league programs. The visiting team gets nothing except its little piece of revenue sharing.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Did you happen to catch Craig Conroy's interview with Pat before the game?

He basically spent 10 minutes talking about how Parekh and Bahl are a perfect pairing and how Hunter is ahead of where Ras was at the same age, notably with better awareness on the ice.

Sure didn't sound like a manager who was committed to have a certain RHD here long term.

Nothing in the game went against that assessment. If anything it bolstered it!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

From what I understand, the league takes something close to half of the playoff gate, distributes most of it through revenue sharing, and keeps some for various league programs. The visiting team gets nothing except its little piece of revenue sharing.

Sounds like the league is run by the mob lol

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No owner is ever going to agree to a playoff format that gives his team a maximum of two home games.

Even when the alternative is zero home games??? (ie: miss the playoffs completely)

Besides, I'm not interested in "owners won't agree to it" types of arguments. I'm interested in discussing what should happen.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Even when the alternative is zero home games??? (ie: miss the playoffs completely)

Some other team would miss the playoffs completely instead. Nobody wants to be that team.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Some other team would miss the playoffs completely instead. Nobody wants to be that team.

Yup. Nobody wants to be the team with 96 points missing out while 2 teams with 91 make it in.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Yup. Nobody wants to be the team with 96 points missing out while 2 teams with 91 make it in.

But also, nobody wants to be the team with 91 points missing out because a team from the other conference happened to be better.

The overall odds of making the playoffs don't change, but the playoff bracket itself gets more complicated, there's more travel, and more expense. Team owners care a lot more about those things than about whether some group of fans think it's fair.

There were seasons in the 21-team league when every team in the Norris Division was .500 or below, yet four of them made the playoffs. There was one year that all six teams in the Patrick Division were above .500, but two of those teams missed. To the owners, stuff like that is just the price of doing business.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But also, nobody wants to be the team with 91 points missing out because a team from the other conference happened to be better.

The team with 96 points has more of a reason to be unhappy if they are the ones missing out.

the playoff bracket itself gets more complicated,

No it doesn't.

there's more travel, and more expense.

Marginally.

Team owners care a lot more about those things than about whether some group of fans think it's fair.

There were seasons in the 21-team league when every team in the Norris Division was .500 or below, yet four of them made the playoffs. There was one year that all six teams in the Patrick Division were above .500, but two of those teams missed. To the owners, stuff like that is just the price of doing business.

Well then owners suck. Greedy rich shmucks who are out of touch with hockey fans.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Nothing in the game went against that assessment. If anything it bolstered it!

Sure.

I guess what struck me about the interview is how pointed it was. Maybe it was just Craig being enthusiastic about the two youngsters and not fully grasping the 'message' he was sending. But still...

Spoiler!

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think it matters if a team with 96pts misses out and a team with 91pts gets in. You don't compete with teams from the other conference to make the playoffs. Flames had an easier time because of the three crappy teams at the bottom of the western conference giving out points like candy. Some years it is the other conference that has more of them. I don't think it should change and make things more complicated.


Imagine the Flames next year getting 92 points and earning a spot in the playoffs, only to have the rules change and a team with 97 points makes it in instead because Pittsburgh, Boston and whomever else were absolutely horrible and gave up a lot of points to them. Would that be more fair? Or would it be less fair? I think it is less fair.


You compete to make the playoffs with teams in your conference. That's the fairest thing to do.

[Titan2]

if AC or someone could find the video of the bench fly by of Parekh, he is the spitting image of a certain Flames icon.

Also, when he scored, my initial thought was "what the hell was he doing there?" The immediate answer was, following his goal scoring instincts. It was pretty awesome for a kid in his first NHL game to go to the net when most people would just think, ####, I am waaaay out of position. Not him. It was awesome.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It is insane the NHL doesn’t have tiebreaker games - not just because the Flames are the team tied

A Friday night do or die for 2 tied teams when there’s no other hockey on ? Everyone would be watching

Maybe it’s a stadium situation since arenas get used for other events / teams and need to be booked in advance ?

Any play-in format that took into account ties for the last spot would need to include the possibility of there being more than two teams tied for that last spot.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think it matters if a team with 96pts misses out and a team with 91pts gets in. You don't compete with teams from the other conference to make the playoffs. Flames had an easier time because of the three crappy teams at the bottom of the western conference giving out points like candy. Some years it is the other conference that has more of them. I don't think it should change and make things more complicated.

Imagine the Flames next year getting 92 points and earning a spot in the playoffs, only to have the rules change and a team with 97 points makes it in instead because Pittsburgh, Boston and whomever else were absolutely horrible and gave up a lot of points to them. Would that be more fair? Or would it be less fair? I think it is less fair.

You compete to make the playoffs with teams in your conference. That's the fairest thing to do.

^An annoying talking point that people keep repeating for some reason.

3 bad teams at the bottom of the conference isn't relevant when you have more good teams to balance it out.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=294

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...7&postcount=22

Looking at the updated numbers, nothing has really changed. The east got 1450 points while the west got 1445. Virtually no difference. As for goal differential, the east was +20 while the west was -20. Spread out over 512 cross-conference games, it's practically zero. Empty net goals account for most of the difference anyway.

Flames should be playing postseason hockey.

[cannon7]

Morton's joy at scoring a goal in his first NHL game was a nice way to end the season. And Parekh getting on the scoresheet was a big plus also.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Well then owners suck. Greedy rich shmucks who are out of touch with hockey fans.

Now you're getting it!

[Paulie Walnuts]

The only team you can complain about is Montreal. They are terrible. But all the teams with less points still won more games than the Flames and they deserve to be in the playoffs and we don’t. Collecting loser points is not a great way to make the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The only team you can complain about is Montreal. They are terrible. But all the teams with less points still won more games than the Flames and they deserve to be in the playoffs and we don’t. Collecting loser points is not a great way to make the playoffs.

5-12 in OT - one more 3on3 win and they make the playoffs

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

5-12 in OT - one more 3on3 win and they make the playoffs

That's just it - there's no 3 on 3 & SO in the playoffs. So losing a bunch of 3 on 3 & SOs is not an indicator of how strong of a playoff team you are.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

That's just it - there's no 3 on 3 & SO in the playoffs. So losing a bunch of 3 on 3 & SOs is not an indicator of how strong of a playoff team you are.

Exactly. The Flames only had 27 regulation losses, but the other playoff teams won more OT games than they did.