[PGT] Flames Bad

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The bad: we lost in a stupid gimmicky shootout to the team we are battling with for WC 2.

The good: Finally, more CPers are realizing that Huska is a fantastic communicator but way over his head as a head coach.

What do you want from him? you can't spit shine a turd. The Flames just don't have an all situations player on forward. Not a single forward you would trust out there no matter what.

On the other hand, the Flames defense is phenomenal. That is more easily attributed to good coaching that a litany of poor choice making in the offensive zone.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Aside from Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Wolf, nobody on this team is showing up.

I would argue Bahl was one of the best players on both teams.

[Toonage]

And apparently Zary is having a call about his elbow to one of the Pettersson's last night. Less than ideal.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What do you want from him? you can't spit shine a turd. The Flames just don't have an all situations player on forward. Not a single forward you would trust out there no matter what.

On the other hand, the Flames defense is phenomenal. That is more easily attributed to good coaching that a litany of poor choice making in the offensive zone.

The defense is not close to Phenomenal. They give up the 10th most high danger chances against in the league. Dustin Wolf is 6th in total goals saved above expected (min 22 games) and 7th in Goals saved above average per 60, and they are clinging to the second wildcard spot.

They are 26th on the PK with an elite goalie. They are 18th on the PP. Funny how the no forward talent team is better on the PP than the PK with a genius defensive coach.

This team is not well coached in any of the three zones.

Husky hockey sucks, and he would be getting ridiculed daily if not for Wolf.

[Strange Brew]

Paging:

Frost
Zary
Sharangovich

[Monahammer]

Lol at the coach talk. You guys see the roster, right? We don't have the talent to compete.

We aren't going to make the playoffs. It's ok.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol at the coach talk. You guys see the roster, right? We don't have the talent to compete.

We aren't going to make the playoffs. It's ok.

The Flames absolutely did have the talent to beat the Canucks last night. In fact, their most talented players put up points. The depth was nowhere to be seen.

Seems like it's an ongoing theme with the Flames since 2004, where only part of the team consistently shows up. The leading scorers will be silent on the night that the depth shows up. The Flames can't consistently get both to show up. It's like the team has meetings in the locker room and decides to takes turns trying.

[R0taryRocket]

Originally Posted by Toonage

And apparently Zary is having a call about his elbow to one of the Pettersson's last night. Less than ideal.

After seeing the other angle, hit to the head, blindside, retaliation. Pretty dirty but out of character. Kudos to him for sticking up for Kadri but wrong way to do it. Deserves a game in my mind to learn from it.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I had the game on PVR and watched the third and OT. I don’t get why everyone is so upset lol. I thought the Canucks blocked a lot of Flames shots and were right on top of the Flames in the forecheck preventing a lot of breakouts but I didn’t see the so called lack of effort people are complaining about. Canucks style is a little more freewheeling because they have the players to do it. Could have gone either way. Some of the Flames players didn’t give enough effort on the relentless back check we usually see and that’s what I saw.

We were outshot 17-4 and high danger chances were 13-2 in the Canucks favor in the third period.

Let's call it what it was - an embarrassing effort in the biggest moment to date in the season.

Sitting back on a lead is a recipe for disaster and it's something that Huska has clearly wanted his team to do this season. It's an issue.

The Canucks roster isn't good, but they managed to flip a switch (on back to back games no less) and we didn't.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by R0taryRocket

After seeing the other angle, hit to the head, blindside, retaliation. Pretty dirty but out of character. Kudos to him for sticking up for Kadri but wrong way to do it. Deserves a game in my mind to learn from it.

He's a Calgary Flame. He's getting at least 2.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

We were outshot 14-3 and high danger chances were 9-1 in the Canucks favor in the third period.

Let's call it what it was - an embarrassing effort in the biggest moment to date in the season.

Sitting back on a lead is a recipe for disaster and it's something that Huska has clearly wanted his team to do this season. It's an issue.

The Canucks roster isn't good, but they managed to flip a switch (on back to back games no less) and we didn't.

Lankinen playing his 2nd game in as many nights, rolled into Calgary at 4AM, shot volume is key. Make him move. Make that team chase you. They did none of it.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I would argue Bahl was one of the best players on both teams.

He’s a really valuable player.

Coronato and Hanley have been good as well. Coleman isn’t scoring but otherwise his game’s still there.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The defense is not close to Phenomenal. They give up the 10th most high danger chances against in the league. Dustin Wolf is 6th in total goals saved above expected (min 22 games) and 7th in Goals saved above average per 60, and they are clinging to the second wildcard spot.

They are 26th on the PK with an elite goalie. They are 18th on the PP. Funny how the no forward talent team is better on the PP than the PK with a genius defensive coach.

This team is not well coached in any of the three zones.

Husky hockey sucks, and he would be getting ridiculed daily if not for Wolf.

The flames defensive stats will be marred by the fact that the flames forwards cannot maintain possession.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Aside from Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, and Wolf, nobody on this team is showing up.

Consistently yes.

But there are others that are less impactful but generally show up most games. I would say that list includes:

- coronato
- vladar
- pachal
- bahl

The problem players in my mind are:

- sharangovich
- backlund
- andersson at times (second half of year)

[flame4life]

Came on here for the over reactions ... leaving satisfied. It was good game by two hockey teams battling for the final playoff spot. Would I have liked to have won the game ... absolutely. Am I ready to jump off a bridge today, no. Enjoy the fact this team was picked to finish bottom three in the league and as of this morning are still in a playoff spot. You guys may need some medication over the last 18 games if you stress this hard.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

We were outshot 17-4 and high danger chances were 13-2 in the Canucks favor in the third period.

Let's call it what it was - an embarrassing effort in the biggest moment to date in the season.

Sitting back on a lead is a recipe for disaster and it's something that Huska has clearly wanted his team to do this season. It's an issue.

The Canucks roster isn't good, but they managed to flip a switch (on back to back games no less) and we didn't.

Someone needs to remind Huska that the best defense is playing in the other team's end.

At the very least, we shouldn't retreat or collapse until there's five minutes left in the game, if not less.

A full period of that is ridiculous. We deserve to lose playing that way.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Someone needs to remind Huska that the best defense is playing in the other team's end.

At the very least, we shouldn't retreat or collapse until there's five minutes left in the gane if not less.

A full period of that is ridiculous. We deserve to lose playing that way.

To me it was less of a plan and more that Vancouver was pressing hard and the players were overwhelmed

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol at the coach talk. You guys see the roster, right? We don't have the talent to compete.

We aren't going to make the playoffs. It's ok.

I see the roster, it's a team with plenty of depth that shouldn't be anywhere near last in GF. Hell, even the biggest Huska cheerleaders on Flames Talk said this roster should be about middle of the pack in GF. Every single metric points to goaltending being what props up this team that is severely underperforming in all other aspects given the players they have. Huska is a great bs'er though, he could convince an Eskimo into an air conditioning unit.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Consistently yes.

But there are others that are less impactful but generally show up most games. I would say that list includes:

- coronato
- vladar
- pachal
- bahl

The problem players in my mind are:

- sharangovich
- backlund
- andersson at times (second half of year)

This Backlund effort discussion is just bat#### crazy to me.

Decline? Has to happen. Is it now? Could be. Is he hurt? Certainly is now, and likely was.

But effort?

Head shaker for me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I also don't think Andersson is an effort issue. If anything, at times, he's guilty of trying to do much and playing beyond himself.

Effort is an easy thing to try to blame poor performance on. But I think, for the most part, it's rarely the actual issue.