[News] Flames do not make any trades on trade deadline day

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am shocked after we got all those Gifs over the last week.

Last time I ever buy the Gif hype!

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Glad they didn’t trade for depth. I was big on selling Anderson. I also think they wasted an opportunity on selling a winger at high costs. We have to many now and to many for next year. They are going to have to sell one in summer so why not now? There’s no way the plan is to have Zary on 4th line next year.

Yeah, it's hard to tell which of the dozens and dozens of offers Conroy got for a winger would have been the best one. Whichever one your imagination finds most appealing, I suppose.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

In other news, the Flames officially now have the lowest team cap hit in the league.

To what end though?

UFAs?
For star UFAs there's only Marner now and he allegedly won't go anywhere in Canada but Toronto.
I hope they don't go blow it on a Bennett and Chychrun type move.

They weren't able to weaponize it at the trade deadline.

I'm genuinely curious what they do with it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by traptor

To what end though?

UFAs?
For star UFAs there's only Marner now and he allegedly won't go anywhere in Canada but Toronto.
I hope they don't go blow it on a Bennett and Chychrun type move.

They weren't able to weaponize it at the trade deadline.

I'm genuinely curious what they do with it.

Frost, Coronato, Zary, and Bahl are all RFAs this year and due for pretty big raises. Wolf is an RFA the year after that. I would imagine that they get max contracts as you probably don't want to bridge them. Those 5 players will take a chunk of that cap space.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Live look at the Flames War room

Hey! That's my work hours during the summer and fall

[CFO]

All the Flames are missing now (and for last 20 years) is a legit top center. Get one of those in the next 3 years and are set.

[Kipper_3434]

Team still has yet to aquire a pick for brokering a deal (retaining salary as the 3rd party) right?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by AC

Was hoping for a small move but had the Frost and Farabee trade happened today I would have been thrilled. Smarter to get a move like that done earlier.

But if the Frost and Farabee trade happened today, the cost might be much higher than what we have paid.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CFO

All the Flames are missing now (and for last 20 years) is a legit top center. Get one of those in the next 3 years and are set.

They are missing a lot more then a top Center

They are the lowest scoring team and 23rd in goal differential

We are very very far away from where we need to get too

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Retool and Rebuild semantics are what binary thinkers concern themselves with.

Conroy has a plan he presented to leadership to get the job, and he is sticking to it.

So far he has been super transparent and has done exactly what he said he would do.

The goal is to get younger and be competitive. It doesn't fit any single label.

Trying to constantly label it as this or that tells us more about the intelligence of the person assigning labels then it does the Flames plan.

And now that you have a gem like Wolf, how many years of his career do you want to waste bottoming out so that you can 'rebuild' or whatever?

Be nimble and make smart moves. I think Craig has done well thus far in his tenure.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

f.

For 'fine'

[Macho0978]

I'm going to give the Flames a D. For me this team isn't a threat and making the playoffs and gaining experience is valuable but not enough to make up the difference for missing out on some of these returns.

Going into this season, the Flames were projected to be bad. Bright spots were players like Wolf, Coronato and Zary were going to play, and they have played well and put this team in a position to be better than expected.

Our prospect pool has got a boost as it seems like we had a great draft last year and Parekh is playing like a superstar. With him and Wolf, it feels like we are 1 superstar center away from being set up for a chance to be elite.

Our strength going into this year was the draft pick situation. We had the most 1sts in the next 3 years and could be drafting near the top of the draft. I see comments that we still have a plus draft situation, but how plus is it. Not all 1sts are equal. I made a point system that I thought was fairly reasonable to weight the value of picks. Ranges aren't perfect but I think it's fairly decent.

1st OV - 100
2nd OV - 85
3rd OV - 65
4th OV - 60
5th OV -55
6-10 OV - 25
11-20 OV- -20
21-32 - 14
33-50 - 10
Late 2nd - 6
3rd Round - 5
4th Round - 4
5th Round - 3
6th Round - 2
7th Round - 1

Lots can change with the conditions of picks, movement in standings and draft lottery but I have the Flames outside the top 10 in the 2024 draft.

SJ - 141
Chi - 131
Nash - 125
Philly - 107
Buf - 91
Mon - 89
Sea - 83
Pitt - 82
Ana - 54
Bos - 52


Calgary has 51 points, tied for 11th in points. They could still have a good draft but there are 8 teams that have a much better draft situation than we do and better prospects that we have with better core players on their team.

Good news the Stars are 31st with 14 points and the Oilers are 32nd with 8.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wolf isn't 30 and is a goalie. We have a long runway with him.

[kehatch]

A lack of Flames trades isn't a surprise. We aren't good enough to be buyers and we are too stubborn to be sellers. We will tread water until we drown, then slowly ascend back to mediocrity so we can do it all over again.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That should have been other GM's looking at Craigs asking price.

Unless its a roster player for a roster player this team shouldn't be entertaining adding to this team at the expense of picks.

It probably was, which is why they weren't moved

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Wolf isn't 30 and is a goalie. We have a long runway with him.

I agree. But with that said, he is have a hell of a season, and I would hate to crush this momentum.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

To sell Anderrson and Kadri for big returns.

They weren’t going to do that. Nor should they have.

This team is in the playoffs on merit as the lowest payroll team in the league - you don’t trade your number one defenceman and you’re number one centre if you don’t have to.

They didn’t have to.

Any trade for Kadri makes just as much sense in the summer as it does now.

As for for Andersson, he’ll return a kings ransom in the summer or literally any point leading up to the deadline.

We’ll still get something back for these guys. We’re just also gonna get some playoff hockey out of them as well.

Huzzah.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I agree. But with that said, he is have a hell of a season, and I would hate to crush this momentum.

Vladar plays half the games and we have 20 left. How crushed is he going to get in 10 - 12 games if we traded 1 or 2 of our vets?

Remember how Markstrom lost his confidence after getting dummied in the playoffs. We could get blown out bad if we make it

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Frost, Coronato, Zary, and Bahl are all RFAs this year and due for pretty big raises. Wolf is an RFA the year after that. I would imagine that they get max contracts as you probably don't want to bridge them. Those 5 players will take a chunk of that cap space.

I think Conroy also has to consider how those contract negotiations go if he pulled the rug out from under them this season by trading vets when the team busted their butts to be in a playoff spot at this point. Some of those guys might reconsider long term deals for short term deals that take them to UFA status quicker if they feel like that's the way the GM operates.

There is a lot more to managing a team than just assets in and assets out. You have to think about the long term consequences and opportunity cost for everything.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What is the plan tho?

We won't rebuild to get elite talent, and we only trade the vets when our hand is forced.

The teams above us keep adding, the teams below us are now emerging. A few will fall off probably keeping us from bottoming out.