RIP Chris Simon

[TheIronMaiden]

There are fewer fights in the NHL than ever before. The odd fight is going to happen, Christ there are fights in soccer from time to time. But by and large the culture has changed, it is a skill first league.




https://goinghockey.com/culture/figh...players-fight/

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Maybe the PA should be worried about members of their association dying at very young ages.

Well, what steps have they taken to accelerate the demise of fighting? Have they shown any interest in this matter?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Asserted without evidence, and in any case, irrelevant.

It took me two seconds to find this...I could find more but I won't bother, this is pretty compelling.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal...nt-statistics/

Not gonna bother with the rest of your argument. It's the same tired rhetoric that doesn't really matter in this discussion. With all "personal responsibility and autonomy" arguments, there is always the neglection of any consequences for that autonomy. Freedom at all costs isn't the right approach to any problem.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The City of Calgary has a responsibility to protect its citizens. There are too many fatal car crashes in Calgary, so let's ban cars.

Fun fact: you can’t purposely crash into someone. It’s against the law and you can go to jail! Now that you’ve caught up on this topic, maybe the adults can go back to having a conversation without you.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The City of Calgary has a responsibility to protect its citizens. There are too many fatal car crashes in Calgary, so let's ban cars.

Society needs cars to function.
The NHL DOES NOT NEED FIGHTING

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

There are fewer fights in the NHL than ever before. The odd fight is going to happen, Christ there are fights in soccer from time to time. But by and large the culture has changed, it is a skill first league.




https://goinghockey.com/culture/figh...players-fight/

Agreed and as a result it's now very easy to take the next logical step to ban it completely.

[rubecube]

That's a shame. I used to love hockey fights, but it's pretty hard to argue with these outcomes. Seems like the enforcers have the same average lifespan and health as the average pro wrestler.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The City of Calgary has a responsibility to protect its citizens. There are too many fatal car crashes in Calgary, so let's ban cars.

This is an awful comparison but let's play your game for the sake of it.

If hockey is like driving, fighting is like driving drunk. It's not necessary for the function of the act it itself (hockey/driving) and adds unnecessary additional risk for little reward.

So we do not need to ban driving or ban hockey altogether.
But rules are in place to be each as safe as reasonably possible. The NHL is currently doing less than driving laws to protect it's fighters, and they could actually learn a thing or 2 from driving laws to implement better safety measures.

Driving is one of the most regulated things we do for safety reasons, even car manufacturing has high regulations, before the car's even on the road. Then there's speed laws, tire laws, seat belt laws, distracted driving laws, driving under the influence laws...
So this comparable isn't making the point for unregulated risk you think it is.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Agreed and as a result it's now very easy to take the next logical step to ban it completely.

I disagree, I think it was a probelm 20-10 years ago, and it not a major concern now. The game is 1000% safer than it was. This is a nice homeostasis.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Agreed and as a result it's now very easy to take the next logical step to ban it completely.

Obviously fighting is not great for your health, but I do think we need to acknowledge that these guys who are dying now were fighting way more than anyone does in the NHL now.

Tie Domi had 339 fights in his NHL career plus god knows how many in the minors/junior career.

Chris Simon had 131 NHL fights plus I'm sure a bucket load more in juniors.

As I know - outside of the WHL - the junior leagues have cut way back on fighting. A game misconduct in the QMJHL (plus suspensions after you have 2 fights). OHL has suspensions after 3 fights. So you've basically cut that down by a mile.

You've cut the trauma way down for these guys - so have you solved the problem but still dealing with old issues or does the problem still exist?

[Aarongavey]

http://https://x.com/frank_seravalli...236436605?s=12

I have no idea how to put twitter links up properly but it is incredible that Bill Daly says the science on CTE is not settled. Like some 1987 tobacco company gaslighting going on there.

[cam_calderon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1770468538236436605

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

http://https://x.com/frank_seravalli...236436605?s=12

I have no idea how to put twitter links up properly but it is incredible that Bill Daly says the science on CTE is not settled. Like some 1987 tobacco company gaslighting going on there.

Take the number from the tweet then put it within [tweet] tags.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He actually is making his point. You just disagree with it so vehemently that you can't bring yourself to acknowledge it.

If you don't allow 21-year-olds to make their own career decisions, who should be making those decisions instead? At what age do you allow them to make such decisions? Do you ever? Is a 25-year-old who has never made his own decisions suddenly fit to start making them for himself? A 30-year-old? Are the only people fit to make the decision those who are too old to do anything about it?

People get worked up about fights in hockey, but more players get concussions as a result of ordinary hits, collisions while skating at speed, and even simple falls. Do we ban hockey altogether because of that? I know there are people who want to ban gridiron football.

Where do you stop, and do you ever stop?

Yes yes, we all know the glibertarian viewpoint. But his point, if we’re generous in calling that, is non-responsive to the issue. He says it’s allowed therefore do it. Others are saying, OK change that rule and that culture. It’s a non-debate.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes yes, we all know the glibertarian viewpoint. But his point, if we’re generous in calling that, is non-responsive to the issue. He says it’s allowed therefore do it. Others are saying, OK change that rule and that culture. It’s a non-debate.

It's a non-debate, because you say so? Nice god complex.

[FlamesAddiction]

Has that lawsuit been brought to a conclusion yet? The article posted back on page 1 was from a few years ago and said Chris Simon was suffering from the effects of CTE and was part of the lawsuit against the NHL. It would explain why Daly is in denial still.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I was in the Walmart parking lot, got back in my car, opened Facebook and saw that Simon had passed.

I literally said out loud "What the ****?!?!"

He was a key part of the 2004 run. His presence helped fuel the team. I loved the philosophy "if an opposing player touches the puck, he gets hit" and Simon made sure that always took place.

He was such an important part of the team that he was mentioned in the first iteration of In Da Dome.

So make a choice, who you want?
Simon or Oliwa?
Either way you get a beatin' that's the way that we roll!
Your offence is like no fence to easy for me
Your defence is like efence where's the D?!

Rest in Peace. This hit me a lot harder than I would have thought.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

It's a non-debate, because you say so? Nice god complex.

It's a non-debate because you aren't responding to the actual suggestion that was initially raised.

Initial point: "CRT is an issue and fighting is linked to it therefore we should ban fighting or short of that discourage it more strongly"

You: "Fighting is allowed with just a 5 minute penalty so let them go"

Them: "But we are suggesting it be changed"

You: "It's allowed, plus, there are cars".

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

The City of Calgary has a responsibility to protect its citizens. There are too many fatal car crashes in Calgary, so let's ban cars.

If you're not seriously going to engage in discussion perhaps it's best to move on? You're essentially using the Chewbacca Defense from South Park.

(but yeah, sure lets end the so called war on cars and make every city walkable and people scaled)

[Bandwagon Surfer]

So many great memories of Chris Simon as a Flame. Really sad it happened. Such a common story for athletes.

Getting older and learning bout how concussions destroy people has really soured me on fighting. When I was young I loved it. Now seeing it feels like I am watching a snuff film.

Get an off ice ref and call everything. Players should not be the ones enforcing the rules. I want to watch people play hockey, not commit suicide on ice.