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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by timbit

Was the conversation not about Hanifin?

Yeah. and he is a good defencemen. unlike some other guys... lol


So why do you hate Wolf? other than him being small?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

He has never been a difference maker so far in his career while being surrounded by good players.

Maybe he'll pull a Bouwmeester and win a cup later in his career but don't see that happening.

He is definitely a good player but don't see him as a difference maker. Hes not someone that'll take the game over.

To me he is a Bouwmeester lite.

No offence but I think you're confusing offensive production or flash for difference maker.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yeah. and he is a good defencemen. unlike some goon dman we had from 1983-1987... lol


So why do you hate Wolf? other than him being small?

Let's take it easy with the ad hominem attacks, shall we?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

This is why people shouldn't get hung up with these advanced stats. Hanifin is not a difference maker.

He may have been good last night, but he doesn't make the team better.

That is just a silly comment.

Sort of shocks me how superficial some people are with hockey players.

If you're playing against all the top opposition, logging more time than anyone on your blueline, playing powerplay and penalty kill and have legit metrics across the league for a significant sample size ... you're making a difference and making your team better.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No offence but I think you're confusing offensive production or flash for difference maker.

No I think certain players are difference makers or can be difference makers game to game.

I'll use Nazem Kadri and Elias Lindholm as an example. I think a lot of people and GMs would probably prefer Lindholm to Kadri. Lindholms advanced stats or just regular stats may be better most years but I think Kadri can be a difference maker way more often than Lindholm can be.

I think its just an eye test and nothing to prove that so will agree to disagree.

Not a slight to Hanifin I just don't think the Flames will miss him that much. I also hated Hanifins game when he was defending 5 feet from the net. Seemed to lose his man a lot but he was also playing with Andersson a lot prior to this season and I think Andersson struggles in that area as well so maybe conformation bias.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Let's take it easy with the ad hominem attacks, shall we?

Thanks.

No place for that.

And a signal a person needs to check himself when discussing hockey on a message board.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Thanks.

No place for that.

And a signal a person needs to check himself when discussing hockey on a message board.

Sure. I took it out. I'm just some rando on the net, but the person in question is a Flames alumni and attacked our franchise player for years. Isn't that more out of line?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Nikita Okhotiuk is an interesting player. I really like his size, skating, physicality, and defensive IQ. He certainly needs to work on developing his puck skills and composure under pressure but he could become a very effective defensemen if those areas even become NHL average.

He is an interesting player. I don't quite know what to make of him yet. He has played large stretches of games where I don't notice him at all, for the bad reason. Typically it has been seeing the number 28 and reminding myself that he is in the line up. For a defensive Defenseman that isn't a bad thing. Don't really expect the flashes from him like Mirmanov.

I will say that I expected a bit more physicality from him, but that probably has more to do with watching that clip of him plastering Draisaitl and him wearing 28.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Robbob

He is an interesting player. I don't quite know what to make of him yet. He has played large stretches of games where I don't notice him at all, for the bad reason. Typically it has been seeing the number 28 and reminding myself that he is in the line up. For a defensive Defenseman that isn't a bad thing. Don't really expect the flashes from him like Mirmanov.

I will say that I expected a bit more physicality from him, but that probably has more to do with watching that clip of him plastering Draisaitl and him wearing 28.

Me thinking:

“Lindholm…? Oh, Regehr!”

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That is just a silly comment.

Sort of shocks me how superficial some people are with hockey players.

If you're playing against all the top opposition, logging more time than anyone on your blueline, playing powerplay and penalty kill and have legit metrics across the league for a significant sample size ... you're making a difference and making your team better.

It's even more confusing considering Hanifin has scored many of our recent big goals against tough opponents at crucial times. Dude has arrived as a top pairing D. People need to accept that. Doesn't mean the trade was bad, just that we lost a really good player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sure. I took it out. I'm just some rando on the net, but the person in question is a Flames alumni and attacked our franchise player for years. Isn't that more out of line?

If we banned people for having subjective emotional opinions about Flames players there wouldn't be many left ... you included in the exodus.

But attacking each other is never cool.

[Bill Bumface]

Hanifin reminds me of Dougie Hamilton. Does a lot of good stuff quietly, and thus was underappreciated here. I would have been very happy if we could have extended him to something reasonable.

[SuperMatt18]

Didn't mind the lines last night but wonder what it looks like when everyone is fully healthy...

Huberdeau-Kadri-Pospisil
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Zary - Sharangovich - Kuzmenko

Hunt/Greer/Pelletier/Rooney/Coronato

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Hanifin reminds me of Dougie Hamilton. Does a lot of good stuff quietly, and thus was underappreciated here. I would have been very happy if we could have extended him to something reasonable.

I always coached Bingo Jr to be a two way center that read the play and made sure we were protected five on five to turn overs ... drop into an F3 position if his linemates were too deep, but free reign if there was support.

This is winning hockey.

But man when he was evaluated every year I'd hear evaluators talk about how "he wasn't getting in there" etc. Was complete crap, which you saw when the puck dropped in the real season and he was a Tazmanian Devil with a defensive conscious.

Not everyone appreciates solid two way hockey without flash.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Didn't mind the lines last night but wonder what it looks like when everyone is fully healthy...

Huberdeau-Kadri-Pospisil
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Zary - Sharangovich - Kuzmenko

Hunt/Greer/Pelletier/Rooney/Coronato

Now that Huberdeau is more and more comfortable, Kadri (like Samuel Bennett) likes to attack the middle. And Pissmissile brings the chaos (forecheck) like Duclair (speed) brought to that line.

The key is that Miro, Shilly and Weegs need to support in transition. Skate , skate, skate

Zary high IQ player with two snipers could be deadly if Huska gives them lots of reps together.

Pelts Rooney and Coronato all have the stamina to forecheck hard and one loose puck and we all know what Scoronato can do.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Kipper was more flexible and probably as fast. Although Wolf is lightning fast.

The similarities in style and stature are substantial. Kipper was only 2 cm taller.

Wolf is 5 years younger then when Kipper joined us and broke out, which is the biggest reason to be encouraged.

Agreed - and while Wolfie is certainly more voluble, he seems unflappable, which is perhaps the most notable thing about Kipper in a bad game...he'd get scored on, push up his mask, take a drink, look with kind of a watery glazed-eye appearance down ice, skate to the corner and drop his mask, get set and go. No anger, no losing it....just....calm.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by timbit

Whose eye test?

Their "I" test.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Mobility?? no one touches Wolf. but it's different eras. If Wolf played back in the 80s and early 90s he would have won the Vezina every single year.

and just weird to trot out Brathwaite and Trefilov???!!!! Brathwaite is prob the best puck handling goalie in Flames history though.

I've watched both of those goalies played in the Young Guns era and they were pretty awesome. It's too bad Trefilov didn't become much after he was traded. I recall one game where Trefilov was just super amazing where that one game he had like 60 shots! Not sure if it was a shutout but that was an incredible win for the Flames as I recalled.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Their "I" test.

Some people struggle after row 4

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Some people struggle after row 4

Talk about terrible spelling