[GT] GM Craig Conroy Live in Studio with Robb Kerr

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Fun fact: most of the Stanley Cup champion's best players are in their thirties.


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I'd love to see some data on this for the last decade.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I'd love to see some data on this for the last decade.

I don't even think we need data to know it's not true. But hey if it is we must be a lock to win the Cup.

[dino7c]

It's certainly true with the most recent champs...that is what he was saying I think

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I'd love to see some data on this for the last decade.

I dont know if it is exclusively into their 30's or not, but guaranteed its 27+.

Not sure why "30" has become such a thing among fans. There are tons of players who are key guys on teams who are past the best before date that fans have created.

Most players do not hit their best play until spending several years in the NHL. Obviously there are exceptions as with anything.


Just look at Vegas as an example

Stephenson
Marschessault
Stone
Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Smith
Theodore
Martinez


All 27 or older, and many post "30".

[Hackey]

It's where you're at in your teams life cycle though. Vegas has been contending consistently year after year and finally broke through. They're an elite team. The Flames are trying to just make the playoffs. Unless the Flames land a Jack Eichel and Alex Pientrangelo in the next couple years their window will be closing before it even opened with this group.

[Redrum]

Pietra is 32 and a couple guys 31, Stone 30. Wonder how long they'll be top guys though. Stone might be done already.

[Saqe]

Most likely a combination of things. Quality of #1 C / D / G and depth combined with age. Vegas likely going downhill from here whereas teams like Chicago/LA/Boston were at the top for a decade because their core group were in their mid 20s.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I’m not arguing he was a great coach. But people saying he’s the worst coach Calgary has ever had is downright ridiculous. He did more with less than what he had on paper in Calgary. Roster was brutal.

Yeah it’s hard to be the worst when they had Geoff Ward

And Gulutzan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah it’s hard to be the worst when they had Geoff Ward

And Gulutzan

Only one person said worst. It wasn’t me. But I will say that the extension argument doesn’t wash. He was only extended because of the Adams. It wouldn’t have happened otherwise. And then he got fired a year into it.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont know if it is exclusively into their 30's or not, but guaranteed its 27+.

Not sure why "30" has become such a thing among fans. There are tons of players who are key guys on teams who are past the best before date that fans have created.

Most players do not hit their best play until spending several years in the NHL. Obviously there are exceptions as with anything.


Just look at Vegas as an example

Stephenson
Marschessault
Stone
Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Smith
Theodore
Martinez


All 27 or older, and many post "30".

This year, yes.

A year removed from Colorado though with their 3 top players all under 27, and only Kadri really in the 30+ category from their core contributors.

[MegaErtz]

We're paying Kadri seven million a year until he's 38 years old. There's simply no way you can have a contending team with such a bad contract on the books.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Pietra is 32 and a couple guys 31, Stone 30. Wonder how long they'll be top guys though. Stone might be done already.

The Stone contract was a bit risky but it paid off. So in the end you can deal with paying him for another 4 years. Pietrangelo is in the same boat. Other than those two though their contract situations aren't bad. Marchessault is UFA next year so don't be stupid and go hand out a big 8 year deal to him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We're paying Kadri seven million a year until he's 38 years old. There's simply no way you can have a contending team with such a bad contract on the books.

It has been pretty much a lock since the deal was signed that it was heading for a buyout in the final 2 years at least. Where this team is stuck with Huberdeau like they were with Lucic due to the bonuses the Kadri deal is structured to be a simple buyout when needed down the road.

[dustygoon]

I haven’t listened to the whole thing.

Was Kylington mentioned? Assuming Hanifin moves, we are going to need kylington back at 100% , no? Is that reasonable?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He was hated and not very good. He got lucky in Colorado and fluked a round one win in Calgary. Again, if he’s good he would have gotten another gig in the NHL.

The top players in Calgary got him removed. It wasn’t just Sarich or other role players.

Even great coaches eventually don’t get hired. I’m not going to defend Hartley too much but pointing to the fact he didn’t get a job after Calgary doesn’t say much. He did coach over 900 games in the NHL and in fact led the Thrashers to the playoffs one year. Compare that to what Peters did with Carolina and it seems that guy was in his demand (by one GM anyway).

A lot of players didn’t like Hartley, and hate a fact. He sounds like a total jerk.

But it seems he knows a little about coaching.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I haven’t listened to the whole thing.

Was Kylington mentioned? Assuming Hanifin moves, we are going to need kylington back at 100% , no? Is that reasonable?

There was no talk of Kylington, but everything we have seen this summer indicates that he is currently training, and will be back for camp in the Fall.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It's where you're at in your teams life cycle though...

Which was not the point I was responding to in the first place. I was correcting the factually inaccurate claim that "those old teams do not win in hockey."


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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Flames actively tried to move up to get Draisatl, so yeah, don't believe anything ever from an oiler fan or Edmonton based writer.

Also Conroy has spoken about just missing out on Kucherov in the past.

Never heard that one before, Flames thought they were getting Draisatl because they were sure Edmonton were all over Bennett.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Just listening to Brad Marchand rebroadcast interview on NHL radio. He's a very good listen - smart guy.

Anyway in midst of BOS historic regular season he was talking about how he and team did not care about standings (perhaps just cliche) but he said they just focused on the details important for playoff success. He mentioned how much confidence was important.

He went on to say regular season is only important for getting to 16. Said the regular season you get guys tired some games, focus not there, teams are on back to back or they just have brutal travel. In the playoffs everyone's leadership level is at the highest.

Once playoffs start it is entirely new season. So many factors for playoff success (obviously need good players) like everyone healthy, get some calls get some bounces and importantly how you match up. He cited a year they finished first overall but had they played DET they may have lost (went 0-4 in reg season) that to him it truly doesn't matter where you finish.

Pretty interesting as everyone knows what happened in this playoff but thought it kind of covered things being said here about CGY how good/bad some think chances are for playoffs and even some coaches being discussed.

Teams that get that confidence and belief can do incredible things and it's not luck. It is confidence and belief.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It's where you're at in your teams life cycle though. Vegas has been contending consistently year after year and finally broke through. They're an elite team. The Flames are trying to just make the playoffs. Unless the Flames land a Jack Eichel and Alex Pientrangelo in the next couple years their window will be closing before it even opened with this group.

They literally missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago.