Dustin Wolf Comparison

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

As opposed to not having a top goaltending prospect...

No, no...it's fantastic to have a top goalie prospect, but wouldn't it be nice if the goalies blocking him actually had some value instead of being big fat boat anchors coming off of bad seasons?

[Monahammer]

OR we could try to take on mediocre players with big contracts and hope they just work out better here. Ie:

- Josh Anderson for Markstrom

- Kyle Palmieri for Markstrom

- Nikita Zaitsev for Markstrom

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

One of the guys on 960 Flames Talk a few weeks ago said Wolf and the team sat down on a development plan two years ago.

He's in the loop and wasn't expecting a recall this season from what they were hinting at.

Not sure what that means for next year though.

Those plans are fine but development is rarely and straight line and the Flames better be willing to be fluid.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I'm convinced that he has nothing more in the AHL to prove -- if they want him to develop into a NHLer he needs to be facing NHL shooters.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1646593786464866304

This is why we had Stone down with the wranglers at the start of the year

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[butterfly]

Nice article here about Wolf's childhood and NHL debut. Apologies if it's been posted somewhere else.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/04/...hildhood-team/

“It’s pretty special to play against the team you grew up idolizing,” said Wolf, who loved Evgeni Nabokov as a kid.

Mike and Michelle Wolf used to be Sharks’ season ticket holders, and when they attended games while Michelle was pregnant with Dustin, she would usually feel him kicking inside the womb.

“During my pregnancy, the only time he would kick me was when we were at the Sharks games,” Michelle told the Calgary Sun before Wednesday’s game. “As soon as they stepped on the ice, he would be kicking, and then he’d stop as soon as the game was over. So, this is kind of meant to be.

“Looking back now, you realize that this is the position he was meant to play.”

[Reggie Dunlop]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1647615902744186881

https://twitter.com/user/status/1647601234889826309


Hap Birth Day!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Flames got Vladar for a 3rd, so a second would be OK.

Markstrom's NMC clause was hugely important to him - it was a real sticking point in Vancouver.

I think a three headed monster would be a huge mistake and a distraction

Except it wouldn't be a three-headed monster, because everyone would know the plan. The three-headed monster issue is a problem because of the uncertainty, and the mess that it creates.

If you have a set plan that the tandem is Markstrom-Vladar, but you are going to periodically bring up Wolf to get some starts and experience, what's the problem? You have a 4 or 5 game homestand, you give Markstrom or Vladdar a couple days off, you add Wolf to the roster for a couple games, let him start one and back one up, then return to the Wranglers where he can continue to get regular starts. And you can do this as many times as you want, because he's waiver-exempt.

Actually sounds like a great plan to me. And it buys more time to determine Vladar's status, as well as keeping their depth at the position, in case of injury.

[Enoch Root]

I would much rather do that then have Wolf as the backup, only playing 20 games all year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Wolf will have to transition to the nhl through the backup role

Start the transition sooner than later.

The "more play time" in the ahl is for guys we want to never graduate the ahl.

He's done with the ahl after this run. Onward and upward. No more stalling the kid.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Wolf will have to transition to the nhl through the backup role

Start the transition sooner than later.

The "more play time" in the ahl is for guys we want to never graduate the ahl.

He's done with the ahl after this run.

Not true.

Playing 50 or 60 games, vs playing 20-25, is preferable, even if the majority of them are in the AHL.

[Groot]

I cant imagine any scenario where Wolf isnt a full-time Flame next year. I move Vladar easily. I don't get the love for Vladar at all. I move on from him in the offseason to run a Markstrom/Wolf tandem, and I'd be surprised to see teams give up more than a late round pick.

Rankings for Goals Saved Above Expected.

10 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 67 out of 79

20 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 52 out of 62

25 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 43 out of 52

As bad as Markstrom was last year, Vladar was absolutely worse.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Groot

I cant imagine any scenario where Wolf isnt a full-time Flame next year. I move Vladar easily. I don't get the love for Vladar at all. I move on from him in the offseason to run a Markstrom/Wolf tandem, and I'd be surprised to see teams give up more than a late round pick.

Rankings for Goals Saved Above Expected.

10 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 67 out of 79

20 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 52 out of 62

25 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 43 out of 52

As bad as Markstrom was last year, Vladar was absolutely worse.

I’m not getting into who’s better but Vladar is far more moveable. And people forget he cost a 3rd only. So he’s likely going to bring in more than he cost.

[Naitix]

Trading Vladar and playing Wolf as back up if the easiest decision to make this summer. 25-30 games would be a realistic goal as a back-up for him next year, and that is how majority of goalies transition to the NHL. Frankly there is just no point in him playing in the AHL next year, it's already uncommon how many games he played in the AHL compared to how good he is and his age.

[Huntingwhale]

I know goalies are a crap shoot and it's hard to project them. But god dammit, it will break my stone cold steve austin heart if he doesn't pan out. I literally do not know else a goalie of his caliber needs to do to prove he has potential to be a star. Dude has it all.

The hockey gods owe us this one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Trading Vladar and playing Wolf as back up if the easiest decision to make this summer. 25-30 games would be a realistic goal as a back-up for him next year, and that is how majority of goalies transition to the NHL. Frankly there is just no point in him playing in the AHL next year, it's already uncommon how many games he played in the AHL compared to how good he is and his age.

Agreed it is the easiest move but perhaps the most prudent would be to hopefully rebuild Markstrom’s value and move him so the team could roll with Wolf and Vladarwhile removing Markstrom’s large cap hit. That might mean Woof plays a large chunk of next season in the AHL.

If someone is going to overpay for Vladar that would be a different story and something they should do.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Groot

I cant imagine any scenario where Wolf isnt a full-time Flame next year. I move Vladar easily. I don't get the love for Vladar at all. I move on from him in the offseason to run a Markstrom/Wolf tandem, and I'd be surprised to see teams give up more than a late round pick.

Rankings for Goals Saved Above Expected.

10 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 67 out of 79

20 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 52 out of 62

25 minimum games played
Vladar ranked 43 out of 52

As bad as Markstrom was last year, Vladar was absolutely worse.

Yeah. Based on a single limited stat

You know what gets you to the playoffs?

Record:14-6-5 GAA: 2.91 sv%:895 .660 pts%worse)
Record: 23-21-12 GAA: 2.92 sv %:.892 .569 pts% (better)

Also, guess who got more starts against the crap teams?

Absolutely is a strong (and in this case, incorrect) word

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I know goalies are a crap shoot and it's hard to project them. But god dammit, it will break my stone cold steve austin heart if he doesn't pan out. I literally do not know else a goalie of his caliber needs to do to prove he has potential to be a star. Dude has it all.

The hockey gods owe us this one.

The hockey gods are ungrateful wretches.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah. Based on a single limited stat

You know what gets you to the playoffs?

Record:14-6-5 GAA: 2.91 sv%:895 .660 pts%worse)
Record: 23-21-12 GAA: 2.92 sv %:.892 .569 pts% (better)

Also, guess who got more starts against the crap teams?

Absolutely is a strong (and in this case, incorrect) word

Markstrom absolutely had better goals saved above expected as well as wins above replacement. That is a statistical fact. You know what gets a team more wins? A better WAR and GSAA stat.

I don't care who got more starts against "crappy" teams and how you think that would have some direct correlation to their stat lines. Many ways to interpret that and other factors to consider. And when one goalie starts 72% of games of course they are going to see more "crappy" opponents.

Markstrom was not good past year. Vladar was worse.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah. Based on a single limited stat

You know what gets you to the playoffs?

Record:14-6-5 GAA: 2.91 sv%:895 .660 pts%worse)
Record: 23-21-12 GAA: 2.92 sv %:.892 .569 pts% (better)

Also, guess who got more starts against the crap teams?

Absolutely is a strong (and in this case, incorrect) word

Do you really think Vladar would have had better stats than Markstrom if he was given the same games played? Both sucked