[Trade] Horvat (25% retained) to NYI for Beauvillier, Raty, and protected 2023 1st

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Which means they're the 4th best team to miss the playoffs. Is that very unlikely?

Even if they're 3rd, 2nd, or the best team to miss the playoffs, it doesn't change the calculation at all.

What? of course it does

You used top 13 because it's the worst possible outcome for the Islanders...it's unlikely they end up in that exact spot

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The most likely scenario is probably that it bumps to next year and becomes an unprotected first... which is a HUGE risk for a team that might not be much better next season.

[SuperMatt18]

I dont see the Islanders making it - so realistically if the Canucks get a pick its 13-16, which in a deep draft could be a really good pick.

This year is supposed to be 2003, 2013, or 2015 deep, which means a good player will be there, Canucks just have to make the right pick.

They would be drafting 13th if the season ended right now based on points percentage.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What? of course it does

You used top 13 because it's the worst possible outcome for the Islanders this season

Well, that's where they sit right now. I can amend the statement to say two 'top 16 picks' if you think that's more fair.

I don't think Florida is having a party right now for trading a first round pick to Montreal for 30 games of Ben Chiarot.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Well, that's where they sit right now. I can amend the statement to say two 'top 16 picks' if you think that's more fair.

I don't think Florida is having a party right now for trading a first round pick to Montreal for 30 games of Ben Chiarot.

You can say whatever you like...them having two top 13 picks is unlikely...which was my original comment

Islanders are also adding a guy on pace for 52 goals, just might improve their team a bit

[Aarongavey]

Good thing for the Isles is they win the tiebreaker against any team that they are potentially tied with outside of maybe Buffalo.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by activeStick

And now, Demko wants out of Vancouver too. With nothing left by the summer, you do wonder if Pettersson stays around after his agent assured Canucks fans he loves the city and wants to stay. Kuzmenko is going to be the only guy left in town with Garland, Miller, Boeser, OEL and Beauvillier.

When did demko say he wanted out?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can say whatever you like...them having two top 13 picks is unlikely

Islanders are also adding a guy on pace for 52 goals, just might improve their team a bit

I sure hope they go to the Cup Finals and get swept by the Flames. That'd be the optimal outcome.

Right now, I see the Canucks improving their own draft odds by trading Horvat and picking up another highly valuable pick, likely to be in the vicinity of the Flames pick. They also got two other players that they can move for additional picks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I sure hope they go to the Cup Finals and get swept by the Flames. That'd be the optimal outcome.

Right now, I see the Canucks improving their own draft odds by trading Horvat and picking up another highly valuable pick, likely to be in the vicinity of the Flames pick. They also got two other players that they can move for additional picks.

When the goal is to make your team worse it's not really that hard to "win"

I thought they would get more for this player

[kyuss275]

Have to admit as far as getting a 1st round pick in the deal , Vancouver did as good as they could have hoped for , getting the islanders pick. All the other rumours were Horvat going to Carolina or the Avs .

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can say whatever you like...them having two top 13 picks is unlikely...which was my original comment

Islanders are also adding a guy on pace for 52 goals, just might improve their team a bit

Only if he can keep shooting 21.7%, when his career average is 14%.

Honestly it will be interesting to see what happens going down the stretch.

Their 5v5 productuon in the 3 seasons prior to this one:

Beauvillier: 28 goals, 71 points, 9.52% shooting
Horvat: 28 goals, 74 points, 8.75% shooting percentage.

Difference in counting stats being that Horvat played double the PP time Beavullier did (671 to 338), so had double the points (45 vs 22).

Then this year Horvat has 16 goals shooting a ridiculous 20.25% (!) at 5v5, while Beauvillier has 6 goals at 5v5 shooting a career low 6.82%.

So if Horvat stops shooting at his clip, and Beauvillier starts shooting closer to his career clip then who knows who actually has better production down the stretch.

[dino7c]

I think it's a safe bet that Horvat is better down the stretch. The Islanders will improve, question is how much

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Again, he is 19 playing in the AHL.

At that age, Pelletier was still in junior.

No, he is 20 playing in the AHL. At that age Pelletier was lighting up the AHL.

[dino7c]

Islanders play the Canucks Feb 9th

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

When did demko say he wanted out?

It was reported today by Farhan Lalji TSN that people close to the situation are confirming that Demko does not want to be in Vancouver.

[dino7c]

Demko has been on a rebuilding team basically his whole career other than the bubble playoffs...a year they may or may not have actually made it.

Why stay there? they are gonna be garbage for a while

Canucks were 28th in the league in 2016
7 years later that are about they are about the same

[bc-chris]

just found this beauty while looking for something completely different....

van_zps1010be5e by bc-chris, on Flickr

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can say whatever you like...them having two top 13 picks is unlikely...which was my original comment

Islanders are also adding a guy on pace for 52 goals, just might improve their team a bit

Nah, probably take him 50 games to learn the new system

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

And now, Demko wants out of Vancouver too. With nothing left by the summer, you do wonder if Pettersson stays around after his agent assured Canucks fans he loves the city and wants to stay. Kuzmenko is going to be the only guy left in town with Garland, Miller, Boeser, OEL and Beauvillier.

I have a feeling LA goes for Demko and attaches a 1st to get rid of Petersen.

[dissentowner]

I want to see the Canucks burn, for like the next decade. Nah, longer.